Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
This is the official podcast of the Bulletproof For BJJ movement. Hosted by JT & Joey. Each episode the founders break down problems that Jiu-jitsu people experience, giving guidance and tips to improve your training for BJJ. With the goal of helping every body on the Brazilian jiu-jitsu path reduce their chance of injury, improve their strength and mobility to become more resilient.
Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Gi vs No Gi - Which is better?
Is gi jiu-jitsu the pinnacle of martial arts, or does no-gi hold the crown in modern grappling? Join us as we explore this contentious debate with Joseph Worthington and JT Tenasti, who bring their expertise and passion to the discussion. We dive into the evolution of training practices and celebrate jiu-jitsu legends like Marcelo Garcia and Gordon Ryan. Whether you're a steadfast supporter of the gi or a no-gi enthusiast, you'll gain valuable insights on how each style uniquely shapes the sport and contributes to the future of jiu-jitsu.
In our conversation, we spotlight the distinct paths to proficiency that gi and no-gi jiu-jitsu offer. Journey through the meticulous and detailed world of gi training with JT, who extols its virtues in building a solid foundation and enhancing one's technical repertoire. On the flip side, Joseph champions the dynamic and fast-paced no-gi environment, emphasizing its appeal to younger, athletic practitioners and those seeking a quicker route to competence. From the slow, intricate mastery of gi to the explosive rise of no-gi prodigies like Nicky Rod, we cover the spectrum of experiences and benefits each path offers.
Finally, we delve into the broader implications of gi vs. no-gi within the martial arts community. Discover the traditional structure and disciplined approach of gi jiu-jitsu, which fosters values beyond mere technique. Contrast this with the sport-centric, mainstream appeal of no-gi, which promises greater professional opportunities and adaptability. Our episode culminates in a thoughtful discussion on the long-term sustainability and growth potential of both styles. As always, we're grateful for our dedicated listeners—your support propels us forward, and we can't wait to share these engaging conversations with you.
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Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJ podcast. In the blue corner, joseph Worthington representing no-gi jiu-jitsu. In the red corner, jt Tenasti representing gi jiu-jitsu. In the red corner, jt Tenasti representing gi jiu-jitsu. Ladies and gentlemen, which is better and why no? Gi versus gi? The age-old debate, a tale as old as time. Let's hear it out, ladies and gentlemen. Joe is going to be arguing on behalf of no gi all the good things, very good. And I will be arguing on behalf of Nogi all the good things, very good. And I will be arguing on behalf of the more traditional Gi. Well, nogi is clearly better. What else is there to say? Podcast over, don't forget. No, no, no. We need to talk it out, because this is one of those things.
Speaker 1:The reason why I wanted to have this chat is I had a couple of white belt friends hit me up and be like what should I choose? How do I start? Because there has been a divide Now, traditionally in the past, and I'll point to Marcelo Garcia. Now this is like slightly older school and we'll evolve it. He trained 80% in the gi and he only did no Gi one or two days a week compared to a huge volume of that's Eddie Furlong, terminator 2. He's getting pursued. So, from what I understand, talking with Fabio Gagel and the guys at Alliance, back in the days when Marcelo was winning the ADCC, he trained predominantly in the Gi but he trained almost a similar game. Yeah, his Gi game was very similar to his no Gi game. But because Jiu-Jitsu has evolved and no Gi has evolved in such a dramatic way, you can't really do it that way anymore. I mean, if we go back to the, say, the episode we did with Shanji Hibero, yeah, shanji is still a strong proponent of gi.
Speaker 1:Guys do better at no-gi and that it's right. Like he obviously comes from the old school, yeah, but he's like no, he's like you know, and he whatever, like Merengali, tanen, dalpra, like you know, there's been plenty of athletes Victor Hugo that have successfully done both. But if we look at the greatest no-gi competitor of all time, gordon Ryan, he does not train the gi, that's right. So you've got to say that's a fair data point to say that the best person in the world at no-gi yeah, look, I think, comparing one guy versus many. No, however hey, I'm arguing for the gi. Shut up, joe. No, let's get this on track.
Speaker 1:But I do think that, just, yeah, I think that they are diverging and that we're seeing crossover, but five years from now, 10 years from now, we will see much less, yeah, and so the way I wanted to break this down, it's not that I prefer one more than the other, but I think each has a valid point and I wanted us to go back and forth. Well, guy's been given a bad rap. Think, each has a valid point, and I wanted us to go back and forth. He's been given a bad rap. That's, I think. I think at the crux of this, and with the, with the explosion in no gi jiu-jitsu, I think that the gi is like people like yeah, the gi is kind of lame, no, but I think it's just. Well, let's get into it, shall we? Let's go cracking the knuckles.
Speaker 1:The gi is more. No gi is kind of easier in that way. It's not that no gi doesn't have its own technical aspects, but because the gi creates so many more problems, so many more controls, so many more fucking fuckery encounters. It is more technical, there's more to learn. I believe this is beneficial. So let me make my point. Skill acquisition is something that keeps you engaged.
Speaker 1:So there is a point at which, if a game is too easy, you lose interest in it, and that's why oftentimes, with any video game you play, there'll be increasing levels of difficulty as you work your way through the game. And if you're a Mario Brothers fan, if you can complete the game on a certain level of difficulty, you start at the start and it gets harder and harder and harder. The G provides infinite levels of technical information. So if you're a nerdy technical person, you're going to fucking love that. But then there's probably a counterpoint, isn't there, joe? There's always a counterpoint, james. Tell me what is the counterpoint. Why is that not cool, joe?
Speaker 1:Implicit in your argument there, james, is that there's an end point of technical development in no-gi, which I disagree with. No, I wouldn't say that. I'd say there's less, there's just less options, there's less, there's just less, less, but it's still infinite, which I which so I think that's you know forms. Basis of my counterpoint is that it's like there's still a fucking more to learn in nogi than you have time for right? Yeah, that's probably true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, coupled with the constant evolution of things, um, I think that the I do agree, right, that there's there's there's more like, there's more complexity in what can happen in the game. And so, in that regard, where I see the drawbacks of that and tell me if I'm going about this contest in the right way, but I see that as a drawback for the fans because I think, from a spectator point of view, that increased complexity makes it more boring to watch. Potentially Right and yeah, but in terms of the skill journey, I'm like, yeah, I think it is more attentive, but I see it as a moot point because there's already more than enough in Nogi. Yeah, well, look, I think, yeah, that's accurate. I don't Fuck the fans, I'm looking at it more from the perspective of the practitioner, the person learning. And definitely there's those out there they want that technical stuff, they want every little detail. But then there's some other people, joe, who like to jump guillotine in their first class and they don't give a fuck. And if you injure someone's elbow, hey, and they don't give up. And if you injure someone's elbow, hey, that's on them. But yeah, I guess, to my mind.
Speaker 1:Why I like that aspect of no gi is because you can have more of a sense of knowing, right, where you're like, oh, I'm actually getting somewhere with this shit. You can know less but feel smarter, yeah, whereas in the gi you're like, sick, got that down. Then they're like, hey, there's this new shit, it so it got that down. Then they're like, hey, there's this new shit, it's called Worm Guard. And you're like, ah fuck, ah, fuck, another thing. And they're like, no, no one's doing that anymore. It's all about this fucking inverse K guard shit. I don't fucking know. It's a no-geek game, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And for people like me who like to keep it simple and I don't geek whoa, this is getting way too infinite for me. So it can be a drawback. Yeah, it can overwhelm right, like too much info. But this is what I want to say is the next step. On the more technical thing Gi jiu-jitsu is harder.
Speaker 1:It is, it is absolutely fucking harder. Now let me qualify Harder how. Yeah, right, let me explain. So recently in interview, fion Davies, who is a world champion in no gi and also gi, had said gi jiu-jitsu is fucking harder. Now, she knows jiu-jitsu better than I do, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:But it was interesting because she was like if you roll with a black belt world champion in the gi, you're kind of, you're fucked, you have no option. But in no gi, even though you might roll with a black belt, no gi world champion, you can like. If you're sweaty enough, you can do some shit, you can just fucking move and maybe you get out, no technicality involved. Just, you know spazziness and it doesn't mean you're going to win, it doesn't mean you're going to win, it doesn't mean you're going to have great success. But the way she was explaining is, if you're putting like world class versus world class, there is absolutely no margin of error in the gi. You know, you're, you're kind of if they, if they get to where they're trying to go, you're done right. But with no gi, because there is more freedom to move and there's less friction and there's all these aspects, you, you have a better chance. So therefore, it is that that was her reasoning. She said it is not as hard now. She's an expert and I'm just fucking a fiance, I didn't say it, I'm just a messenger. But I mean no, no, but also having trained judo as well, getting gi grazes. Getting someone gripping you? It's. There's. No, you can't. If someone has an insane grip, like especially judokas, if they grip you the way they want to grip you, you can't break their grip. Yeah, there's no option.
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Speaker 1:You and I, yeah, like training. If you train with a world-class gi athlete, like you're fucked. If you train with a world-class no-gi athlete, you're slightly less fucked, but you are. You might have 20 seconds of you know where. You're like stand up like ooh, defend the underhook. Like ooh, like you know. Or like you're trying to pass the guard. You're like, oh, didn't sweep me that time, kind of thing. But if it's world-class gi motherfucker, they're just like and I'm thinking about like when I've rolled with levi or rob, with, like marillo, from from alliance and you're just like man.
Speaker 1:There's such a gap here, yeah, but if you're training, no, it's like you can, it makes this. It kind of shrinks the shrinks the gap somehow. There's still a fucking gap. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for you to agree with me, no, but let me. But let me point that out. But then let me say I still don't understand what is meant by harder, because I don't know like I like like fair observation. The skill gap is it changes right, dilates more on one. But what's actually harder about it?
Speaker 1:It takes you much longer to get better at gi jiu-j than no Gi Jiu, jitsu, right. So we're seeing, for example, athletic killer people Like a Nicky Rod, perfect example Dude who has wrestled and is just self-belief at the next level. He's coming in and he's messing up dudes in no Gi. We haven't seen him in the Gi right. So I actually don't know about his gi level.
Speaker 1:But even gordon ryan, who we point to him, not not because of gordon, but he put the gi on and he was like fuck this. He was like because I think he was actually like I'm gonna make a run at geek because he's like, he did seem like that for a little while. You thought maybe he's gonna do it. And then he, what do you say? Um, training in the geese? Like, uh, having sex with a condom? Yeah right, this is way, way more friction. It's way harder to finish.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, well, whatever, whatever you say, but but for me, I think it being harder and slower, like that journey to, to proficiency, is a good thing. This is my argument. So yeah, so it's harder to get, like it's slower to get good at it. So yeah, so let me. Because I just think that, because for like, it's like harder, like have you been in an elite? No, of course not. That's what I mean. I think the word choice there is poor. Okay, I apologize, I'll take that up with Fionn, don't worry about it. Let's talk. We'll see you at ADC, we'll see you at CJI, We'll work it out.
Speaker 1:But the slower aspect, the time effort, the struggle to, to proficiency is actually good for us, because so much of life is sped up, like you know, whether it's fucking internet speeds, it's delivery from Amazon, it's fucking the expectation on you as a human to get fucking do anything in life, like everything is hyper speed. This is actually fucked for us as humans. Having something that is hard, slows us down and actually makes us pay attention to details is actually really good for us. I actually think it being the difficulty and the slowness of it is a pro, not a con. That's what I would say yeah, yeah, and I agree. I think that could be again viewed either way, right.
Speaker 1:So what is the counter? Well, the other option is that you're like oh, I don't want to go on a fucking it's the same as that overwhelm piece about the amount of techniques. Like I'm not interested in that, whereas something that's like I don't want to go on a 20 year odyssey to be okay. Yeah, like marginally more simple, like slightly more simplified. Okay, I can wrap my head around this a little bit more. Oh, I can use some natural talent here. Like that's a strength as well. Yeah, right, but of course, there's value to the long game, I guess.
Speaker 1:So here's a counterpoint to that, which is that you could like get slower to learn right, and so it takes you longer to get to this elite level, but then you could argue that then, when you're there, you're like king of the mountain, it's. You have this kind of, because you have this intimate knowledge of this highly complicated skill set, like people who are coming up like can't fuck with you because you're at that elite thing, whereas you're a no-gi cat and you're a black belt and you've competed in a few ADCCs, and then Nicky Rod comes along and fucking puts it on you. You could see that as, holy shit, this is hard. This is really fucking hard.
Speaker 1:I was an expert in this and this person with amazing natural talent and a good base of jujitsu that's growing and obviously now has grown right, he's a bona fide jujitsu athlete. But in his early days you're like, well, this is really fucking hard because I'm always under threat. I'm never that far away from someone who's highly athletic who can put it on me, hang on, no, no. So let's, let's recontextualize hard, that's hard for established people. Well, that's hard for new people. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's that's. That's hard for established people. Yeah, that's on, you're coming into this jiu-jitsu journey. Oh, you fucking didn't tell me that, dog bro, I did. I said to start five, five, five white belts hit me up, yo, what should I choose? Anyway, it doesn't matter, we'll work it out. Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the athleticism piece, right, because this is important.
Speaker 1:The gi, from my perspective, indicates a level of control. It gives you control, it gives you handles, it gives you all these grips. You do not have those options. Yeah, grips and friction, grips and friction. So it does actually give itself more to strength, even though there's always the classic thing about jiu-jitsu about don't use your strength, fucking hand strength, hand strength.
Speaker 1:And this appeals to an older person, because actually here's the thing which actually works for you over time you build up a certain degree of I mean damage, but tendon and ligament strength over time. They talk about old man strength, right? Or old person strengths. Yeah, if you had 20 years of grabbing shit, you get those grips. You're locking up hammers and fucking screwing screws, whatever it might be like. That's that. You, once somebody gets that grip very hard to break, whereas if you're younger you've got maybe better vo2 max. You, you know you're more athletically inclined. You can do a fucking cartwheel no grips, no problems. You know previously, like the saying, from judo comes no grip, no fight. But in nogi, in no-gi, who gives a fuck, right? You're seeing people do just very easy cartwheel passes and just slash and dash and move around. And that's where I feel, if we look at how it might appeal to a person, even though I feel the gi, I think it's great for beginners to start in the gi. It also speaks to maybe an older generation coming through who've just found jiu-jitsu later in life.
Speaker 1:Having the gi to control is helpful. It's not often and obviously we're pretty early in the journey. It might be too early to say I don't know, you might see a super fight between Gordon and Nicky Rod when they're both 60, you know, like some Rocky-esque shit. Jesus, I hope not. But I'm just saying, provided they both live that long. But but it's one of those things that I believe you are not going to see the same longevity in nogi as you do in the gi. Yeah, I would agree. You know you got megaton diaz, you got guys who are fighting master masters. Worlds is huge in the gi. Yeah, I'm not sure how big it is in the no-gi. I would have to check that. I would agree with that for sure. Yeah, gi jiu-jitsu lends itself to a longer journey.
Speaker 1:However, from personal experience, gi takes a fucking toll on the joints. It does, and there's a level of torque on the joints. It does and there's a there's a level of of talk on the joints and manipulation. That is you can't really replicate in nogi right and and of course you can damage motherfuckers. In nogi right, you crush, squash, twit, you can do everything. Yeah, like you can snap shit. But think about when you're playing against someone who's got an amazing fucking de la jiva guard and they're threading their legs through and you're like rotated in multiple directions and they're pulling on this shit and you're like, oh, like, those forces on the body can only be achieved, like that combination of forces can only be achieved in the gi. I do find where I'm at right now, let's say mid journey. No, gi is kinder to my body. Really it is, it is Absolutely. But I have, I have, you know, I'm still, I'm still athletic and strong and I have that base right. Yeah, maybe once, once that is more diminished, it's going to be a different story.
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Speaker 1:We can say that, even though it might be inefficient to learn it, because there's so much to learn. Once you learn a good chunk of that knowledge, you now have an, a moat, a defensive wheel, whereas once you're sweaty and things are going down in no gear you could be. You could be like this single leg usually works, but you got someone hop and move and like we know that more movement is required in no gear, absolutely, and I'm gonna say that's a lot of fucking hard work. Yeah, right, that more movement, and that, I believe, lends itself to a younger person game. So then, here's the here's the drawback on that truth, which is that you can get out of shape and still play in the gi. You can, right, and you can, and that's brown belts, I'm all right, let's go, and that's it. That's you know. However you want to say it, right Can be good, can be bad.
Speaker 1:You can totally neglect your health generally and still be a motherfucker in the gi, whereas no gi demands that. You got to keep up a bit of conditioning, you got to stay in a bit of shape, and so, depending what you want from your jiu-jitsu, right, do you want to neglect everything? Do you want it to be a force that helps you stay in shape? That makes you want to stay in shape? I know I do. It's a good question. It's a good question.
Speaker 1:Now I'm going to come down to, I guess, a different point here, which is maybe a little bit more philosophical in a way, is going to the longevity piece, going to the slightly bigger journey piece that you putting on the gi connects you through thousands of years of martial arts, putting on this piece of armor, essentially what you might wear under your armor as a samurai or whatever, right, look at it how you will, romantically or not, the kimono is a fucking, is a traditional wear, right, and people hate on that right, people hate on that. But what I think is valuable is this makes us think about ourselves not necessarily as athletes. This makes us think of ourselves more as martial artists. Now we're both like it's. This is just a way of thinking. This isn't. This isn't to say one is right or not, but let me share this frame with you and I've said this before that the value in you putting on the fucking gi and being connected to some of these some of them, not all, not the indoctrination, not the bullshit, but some traditions from the past give you a context and can give you an appreciation for these skills you're learning which can actually change you as a person in a great way.
Speaker 1:What we have not seen in Nogi is a huge amount of humility. Biggest assholes rise to the top. Woo, gordon, ryan, whoo, craig jones, like it's a show. We're entertainers. This is the ufc because it appeals to the entertainment. Jones in the gordon ryan bin right there, because they're, they're like what they've risen. You said biggest asshole. You think it's an asshole.
Speaker 1:What we're not talking about, that joe? Yeah, but people are going to be like jt. Why did you say that, bro? I'm talking for the people right now, because I always say that. When do I not say that? I might be joking, joe, it might be ironic, but what I'm saying here, folks, is no ghee if we look at it, even though there are some nice, humble people in there I mean whoever you want to call no one are really nice guys. I've met them. They're lovely, right? Mikey Musumechi even though you know he can have his times of not being happy if he's not eating enough pizza, you know he can get upset.
Speaker 1:But if we look at the way that nogi has moved towards entertainment and it has, and gi jiu jitsu has benefited too, right, like it's not. People are moving towards that thing of being an entertainer as well as being an athlete. Yeah, to get the money, to get the views, to get the attention, right, it's part of the business. Yeah, gi jiu-jitsu doesn't give a fuck about that. No, and that's there's value in that, because so much of our daily lives are what's on instagram, what's fucking trending, what's popular, and all that shit at the end of the day is not actually healthy for you as a person. So, even even though jujitsu can create problems. Gi jujitsu can create problems and its own little world of anxieties.
Speaker 1:The value in it being a martial art and connecting you to a tradition not the cult shit, but the good shit is it is a counterpoint to the entertainment. The need to want to be Commercialization, yeah, counterpoint to the entertainment, the need to want to be commercialization, yeah, anyway, just what do you? What say you, joseph? Well, I think, yeah, I kind of. I think they're kind of two separate points which are both very valid.
Speaker 1:I think that, yeah, gi jiu-jitsu does, does sit within the martial arts context in a in a much, in a much deeper way than gi jiu-jitsu does. Gi jiu-jitsu is like a sport. No, sorry, no, gi jiu-jitsu, it's a sport where it's results driven. Gi jiu-jitsu still obviously results driven, still a sport. However, has this martial arts context right?
Speaker 1:You go to gyms that have more of a no gi heritage. There's usually a bit more structure around it, more bowing, you know, more formality, and I personally really like that stuff. I think that stuff goes a long way and I think that's. Some people hate it. Well, that's right, but I think that's, you know, for some people, that's what they want from, from their. You know, that's part of the martial arts journey for them. Some people just want to be sav and that's awesome too, right, so yeah.
Speaker 1:But I do see a diversion with no gi where it is, and so if I'm looking down the track and I'm like, what's the value? So what do I want my son to go through? What do I want him to? I don't know. I don't necessarily want him just to go in and become the absolute best grappler he can be. I also want him to be under the tutelage of a coach who sees the value of their role as more than just teaching the greatest techniques or the best systems. They also try to instill certain values in them. They maintain order.
Speaker 1:When my son goes to that class, there is a sense of discipline and hierarchy, because hierarchy doesn't exist in many other places anymore, right? No, not necessarily the case. Like in companies. In many things, power dynamics and hierarchy does exist. It's just maybe not openly talked about, but not in the way that it does in martial arts. Or say, like the military is probably the only other one, sure, where it's enforced, where it's like that person is superior, like they're a higher rank than you that's an idea, yeah, yeah, right, and is superior, like that. They're a higher rank than you. That's an idea. Yeah, yeah, right, so, um, and of course, it can be abused, but but I, I like, I really value that and I so I'm like, well, I like the martial arts context as well as the other one. So, yeah, if I'm looking at it, I I can't say which I think is, but I do think that the geiji jutsu holds a very special value in that way. Right, so, so I can't disagree with you on that point. Um, well, I think you're a fucking idiot, but that's a separate thing. Okay, good, all right, the family agree.
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Speaker 1:Oh yeah, to the point about the entertainment side of it. Right, I um totally agree, right, like, like. But the. The benefit of that is that, like, probably I don't think e-ji jitsu becomes anything in 10 years time. I don't think it's anything beyond this niche thing that people who are really into this thing do, and it's still pretty much at the level that it is. Athletes don't get paid. Maybe you have sort of one-off events here and there, like spider, and you know where they're like, oh, we got a fifty thousand dollars for the winner, a hundred thousand, but it doesn't take off right, it stays pretty small. I think.
Speaker 1:No gi jiu-jitsu has the power to become like a, a household name in terms of combat sports, and I think that in that regard, that could be seen right, depending how you look at it as a fucking major strength, because well, that's the thing that's actually going to create professional athletes, leagues and a destination for people that really want to make a career out of that sport. I don't think that's true. I think part of that is true. I don't think it's entirely true. Is what I should say? Yes, I believe the path of the growth of no-gi jiu-jitsu will go along those ways. I believe that will happen. But in the same way, jiu-jitsu has ridden the coattails of the UFC. No-gi gets really popular, right, and it's going to blow up, and it's blowing up and that's awesome, that's great.
Speaker 1:But there's a critical point at which nogi folks end up really fucking injured and can't keep on that journey. Right, you're not 21 anymore, you're fucking 35 and you're like, the next 21 year old comes through, of course. But then what happens to all the broken 35 year olds? They fuck off and get a real job. No, that's what sport, that's what athletes do, bro, you got like you got like five years. They put on the fucking gear. That's what they do. Man, yeah, but no one wants to watch dude. No, it's not. Ufc is nothing if people don't want to watch it. No, hear me out. Here is the thing that we are fucking forgetting. The internet has got us brainwashed. It's not about other people paying attention to you, it's about you are paying attention to you. It's about you working on you and I believe the gi brings that degree of focus. So, yes, I do believe yeah, but my point there was specifically around the growth of the sport and the popularity of this thing.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that Gi Jiu-Jitsu will be bigger than no Gi Jiu-Jitsu. That's not what I said. I don't believe that no Gi Jiu-Jitsu blows up and Gi Jiu-Jitsu just stays same. No, I don't believe that. I believe it will actually feed into it, because once you've gone through your youth and your athleticism and your injuries and your everything, and you can't do no-gi jujitsu the way you always wanted to, you're like oh, my kids are into it, oh, I'll put on the gi. Yeah, fuck it, why not? If we look at the trend which is people coming to jujitsu later in life, even though you've got lots of young savages doing the ADCC, you're going to see more older men and women putting on the gi because you can and you can keep it up. No gi, you can't. That's why I think, for all my reasons, the gi is better.
Speaker 1:Well, you're wrapping it up there Almost, Because there's a point you haven't made which I think should be, should be spoken. Because there's a point you haven't made, which I think should be spoken Please. But yeah, I think that point there I'm like but the world growth, I think that will be attributed to no gi. And so then it's like well, it doesn't matter where it's attributable to, I don't think you can just say gi jiu-jitsu will die. I didn't say I would say more or less what it is, no't think that's. I think that's. That's the wrong assumption. Yes, no gi will I, but I am. No, you made your point, I'm agreeing with you, yeah, so what is the point that's not been addressed, joe?
Speaker 1:The point that's not been addressed is that I do think gi jiu-jitsu teaches you certain things that you can fudge over in no gi and I. One of the greatest examples is like posture in guard, sure, and posture when passing. Yeah, you cannot, because someone can grab the fucking, grab your lapel up next to the neck and like pull you. I think that it does. You have to get very good at certain fundamentals that perhaps you can get away with not having such a good grasp on in no gi, potentially. Now to that point. No gi has its own fundamentals, right, different kinds of things, but I do think and that's an old argument that, like the gi does enforce those things, and I still hold that. I'm like, yeah, I think it does. I think it teaches you some shit that you kind of can't get away without. Like, if you can be good at those things, that will transfer to your no-gi game Potentially, but I mean potentially, but I mean.
Speaker 1:So what's what's the conclusion? Joe is not. Is nogi better or is? Are they both good? Well, I think, um, it's very hard to put like a three-year-old kind of that's better than that sort of title on it why that's what gets the clicks, damn it. I think it's contextual. And for me, I hate how nuanced you're being right now. Yeah, I'll tell you, for me, nogi's better, for me, nogi's better.
Speaker 1:I love watching it, I love doing it, that's all that matters, right. But if you're saying, hey, for someone who's starting out, I'm like well, what do you like? I think it's good to explore both, but you know, I think that at a point you probably need to put your eggs into one basket. Damn, josephton, your partiality has destroyed my internet hook. But that's all right, that works. And so there it is, folks. Obviously there's going to be different sides, but I love both in all truth, but it is getting to a point in the game where, yeah, you might have to choose.
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