Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
This is the official podcast of the Bulletproof For BJJ movement. Hosted by JT & Joey. Each episode the founders break down problems that Jiu-jitsu people experience, giving guidance and tips to improve your training for BJJ. With the goal of helping every body on the Brazilian jiu-jitsu path reduce their chance of injury, improve their strength and mobility to become more resilient.
Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Becoming a World Champion Coach w/ Jake O'Driscoll
What if a setback could steer your life onto an even more fulfilling path? Join us as we sit down with the legendary Jake O'Driscoll, who shares his incredible journey from aspiring AFL player to a respected figure in the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu community. Listen to Jake recount how a disappointing draft year led him to boxing and eventually to the mat, where a transformative encounter with Romell Luistro redirected his athletic ambitions. Despite initial family concerns, Jake's resilience and adaptability led him to a self-defense-focused school, setting the stage for a career filled with grit and success. From these humble beginnings, Jake's transition from the gi to no-gi, supported by Bulletproof for BJJ, showcases how turning points can pave the way for remarkable achievements. After dedicating his life to BJJ, Jake dedicated his life to coaching professional athletes on top of competing himself. He is a man with many hats and a 2 time ADCC World Champion Coach!
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A good martial artist does not become tense, but ready.
Speaker 1:Essentially, at this point the fight is over, so you pretty much flow with the goal.
Speaker 2:Who is worthy to be trusted with the secret to limitless power.
Speaker 1:I'm ready.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. I'm JT, I'm here with Joey and I am blessed and super excited to be here with the legendary Jake O'Driscoll. Jake, how are you doing?
Speaker 1:brother, really good Thanks for having me. Guys. It's a long-time listener, obviously, and we've been friends for a long time too, so I'm really blessed myself to be on the podcast and share a bit of my story and have a chat with you, boys.
Speaker 3:Mate excited, You're an OG of Bulletproof bro. You were using our program back when there was like three people using it, yeah. True, I think still probably one of the most diligent of all students.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I stumbled across it, I knew I had to get involved, man, I knew you guys were about to change the game and I was lucky enough to be one of the early guys on there and still support you guys as best I can and obviously support some of the athletes I work with, which is always we're so grateful and appreciative of that.
Speaker 2:Look, man, I think it's one of those things. Sometimes you get someone who's kind of ready-made walking in. I remember just seeing clips of you deadlifting I don't know. 200 kilos or something. I'm like what, isn't this guy a lightweight? What the hell? Yeah, I do't know 200 kilos or something. I'm like what, isn't this guy a lightweight? What?
Speaker 1:the hell. Yeah, I did have a bit of powerlifting background man, which has definitely helped me. I'm getting older. I don't have to cut as much weight as maybe some guys. But yeah, it's definitely a while ago. I don't know if I could do that anymore, but definitely back in the day.
Speaker 2:So, look, man, the way I'd like to start is because, obviously, you operate on so many levels you're you're an athlete, you're a competitor, you're a coach, uh, you're a gym owner. You've done so much and you know, for people who are not familiar with you, how did you get started in bjj? What got you on the jiu-jitsu journey?
Speaker 1:yeah, like most kids, man, I played football basically my whole life. I started from a young age and was able to work my way up to a semi-pro level, playing in the state league and things like that, and I just always assumed I was going to play in the AFL and make millions of dollars and have a pretty cruisy life. And my draft year came around and I sat down with a couple of clubs, I had a manager and you know I probably wasn't playing, uh, the best football, but I still, you know, had this belief that I was going to get drafted. And you know, draft day came and my name didn't get called and, uh, my manager basically said that the, the feedback was I wasn't fit enough. Um, I know that now that that's a very easy way of clubs letting you down because you know they don't want to hurt your feelings or whatnot. You know I'm five foot six, so I would not last in today's AFL. But you know I was like, ok, I didn't. I had two ways to take that you know whether you know, crawl up and just suck about it or get fitter, you know, and I thought, well, that's easy, that's, that's the easy thing to do. So I, that's, that's the easy thing to do. So I went and started boxing.
Speaker 1:We hired a private boxing coach here in perth and, uh, I was doing lessons and stuff, trying to get my fitness up, and he was just like one day you should, you should, roll jiu-jitsu with these guys. And I was like I'm not doing that man, that looks stupid. And he's like no, no, it'll help, like it'll really help for football and it'll get you fit up. And I ended up rolling with um, a purple belt who's uh, actually owns a local gym near me. Now we're still great friends. He was my coach for a long time, romell luistro.
Speaker 1:He just had his first uh guy signed to the ufc cody haddon on the weekend and he's got another guy tomorrow competing on dan white's contender series quillen, self-healed um. And he just destroyed me. Man, beat the crap out of me and I was like I need to do this and I actually just quit football instantly. Um went straight into doing jiu-jitsu full-time and you know my family were pretty upset. That was like thought I had a quitter mentality like you. Oh, you didn't get drafted so you're having a silk and whatnot, but I just knew like I could do this for the rest of my life and and it would make me happy, um, and obviously back then we don't have the resources we have now, so it definitely did seem like a pretty stupid idea at the time, but it's worked out. So what can I say?
Speaker 2:so what? What year was that mate? When was that?
Speaker 1:2010. So end of 2009, 2010, I was 19, 18, 19 around there. Um, I started in a small school that was more self-defense based like not competition due to at all um, obviously did most of my career in the gi. You know, only took the gi off a couple of years ago when more opportunities came around, um, and no, gi started to get a little bit bigger. Um, so, basically training the gi my whole career and then, um, I just I moved around a little bit, I went with ramel for a while, did a little bit of the mma thing and, um, then I had a couple of black belt coaches Brazilians they ended up leaving, so then I had to find another gym and it was bounced around for a while, man, until I was able to open my own spot and really get some regularity and training and things like that.
Speaker 1:But I wouldn't change anything, man, I lived in America for a while, you know. I was able to get some opportunities over there and that as a young kid, that was, uh, you know, life-changing. It set me up for where I am now and, uh, it's just very lucky man in terms of, uh, right place, right time and right work ethic, I'd say did um, so you had kind of aspirations to be a professional football player, did you kind of like?
Speaker 3:from what you said then it sounds like you just sort of transferred that dream across to a different sport, which was jujitsu. So were you looking at jujitsu and thinking I want to take this all the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like kind of man. So when I was playing football I was very lazy, and not lazy in terms of like the physicality or training or anything like that. You know, when I played in the state league, we had to train seven days a week, so we were there at the club every day. Tuesdays and Thursdays were optional, they were lifting days, but I always did them. I was always there early, but I was lazy in terms of pushing myself. You know what I mean. Like if we had to do a 2k time trial, I would always put myself just below the guys at the front and just in front of the guys at the back so that the coach didn't yell at me. You know what I mean. I was never trying to get the best time or you know anything like that.
Speaker 1:So when I switched from football to jiu-jitsu, uh, my mentality switched. I was like you, kind of half-assed that and that's what you deserve. You know what I mean? Um, I'm not going to do that anymore. So when I switched to jiu-jitsu, it was really like it wasn't really an athlete sport at the time. It was really like a. You know, the lifestyle was pretty chilled and you know, you, you did hard training, but no one really did anything off the mats or looked at your nutrition or your strength and conditioning and I was like, no, I'm not doing that man. Like I'm, I'm gonna treat this like a professional.
Speaker 1:And you know I copped a lot of flack for it as a, as a kid, you know, like what do?
Speaker 1:I know I'm a blue belt trying to train like a professional when there's black belts that aren't doing that, winning world titles, um, but I just believe that like that was not even competition success wise, just life.
Speaker 1:You know, I thought that was what was going to set me up in life really well, and you know that was what was going to put me in the in the best spot to achieve what I want to achieve. So I tried to do that as consistently as possible over a long time. You know, obviously, being a younger kid in your early 20s, I was still partying, I was still drinking or I was still going out with friends and you know I wasn't professional in all aspects but I was slowly getting better at it to a point when I you know, probably when I had my daughter is when I really made that switch, when I was 25, where I was like okay, now it's time, like I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm either going all in or I'm just going to go and do something else. So that's really really helped me now.
Speaker 2:And so for you, with that mentality, that kind of professional athlete mentality of doing the lifting and pushing yourself and all this, and maybe people around you weren't taking it seriously and pushing yourself and all this, and maybe people around you weren't taking it seriously. You said that you trained predominantly in the gi for for a long period of time. Yeah, what? What did that look like for you? Like, you're in perth, right, so you're in western australia, you know, because obviously, as aussies, we all have to, um, travel to compete, travel to train at bigger teams or whatever it, you know, whatever it entails. What did that look like for you, coming in as trying to make yourself a professional slash, a competitor?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I just tried to follow the football schedule and like programming then. So we had to do a certain conditioning in the morning and then at night we'd come and do our skill session and then on our lifting days and then Friday night before the game game we had to have a team dinner and eat pasta before a game and then sundays we had to go to the pool and do recovery. So we're in the you know, run, swimming laps in the pool and stretching and all this stuff. So I just tried to do the same thing, that, but instead of playing football I just switched it for jiu-jitsu. So you know, I'd wake up in the morning and, uh, I would, I'll try and get either some drilling or some skill work in and then I'd go to school or go to tafe. Because at the time I was doing tafe because, um, they didn't really have like a pathway for athletes and in football to do anything other than get drafted. Now it's a lot better. They'll set you up with school, they'll set you up in an apprenticeship or they'll. They'll try and set you up if they think you're going to go to that next level. So you've got skills to to fall back on. But we didn't have that. So for me it was like I'm not going to go to uni because the workload would be too much to play football professionally, I'll just chill at tafe. So then I'll go to tafe. I don't even want to study man, some sports degree, like sports certificate, I don't know, and then I'd go to the club straight from TAFE do extra running, extra kicking, do my skills. So I just did that with Jiu-Jitsu man and then basically we didn't have the ability to train as much as we wanted to, because gyms didn't have Jiu-Jitsu classes every day. They might have two a week or three a week. So we would just visit other gyms that had classes on the days we didn't have.
Speaker 1:Or I live with one of my black. It's so funny. I live with one of my black belts now, uh, chris pathbert, and we just have max in the garage, me, him, and another one of my black belt, simon um, and we just train in the garage for hours. You know what I mean? Because that's it was like oh, this is how we get better. You know, the quantity was very high, the quality was very low and slowly over time I've been able to to switch that up. Uh, really well, but at the time that's all we knew and we just did that.
Speaker 1:Man, and I was very lucky to have those two guys not only, uh, as best friends, but as training partners, and also they never doubted my dream either. You know, it's very funny. Now I can talk to those guys and laugh and be like, man, we've done this or I've done this, or even with on the weekend, you know, like we were talking about stuff like this years, 10 years ago, you know, and those guys really know like, okay, we were in the garage with 20 millimeter jigsaw mats smashing each other, and now we're here. So I basically just tried to follow that module, man, and then, as I got older, I would take from other sports and try and implement that into jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 2:Awesome. And so what was the step where you were like, okay, I'm a competitor, I fucking live this. This is life for me. Jiu-jitsu is 100% what I'm about. At what point? Because obviously you have your daughter and you're a great dad. I, I see you on the social media, all the stuff you do. It's, it's awesome. You know at what point do you go? Right, I'm gonna open my own gym, like when did essence, when did that become? Uh, not only an idea, but making that a reality yeah.
Speaker 1:So this is gonna be a funny one, man, because it wasn't. You know what I mean. I was just happy to be floating around at the time and the goal or the dream was always to open your own academy. I think that was the only way you're going to make any money. But my biggest thing was I had my family at the time. You know, ava's mom and I were still together and we had Ava.
Speaker 1:I didn't ever want to open a gym and fail and have it affect them. Open a gym and fail and have it affect them. So I wanted to build enough money in the bank or an investment portfolio or whatever it was, that if either gym failed, they would never miss out, you know. So I was always just like you know, when I, when I get 50 grand in my savings and then 60 and then 70, there was always, it was always like gonna happen further down the line.
Speaker 1:And then one of my mates owned a crossfit gym that I was training at and he wanted to open a bigger facility, but it was a bit tight in terms of where the money was going and whatnot. And he was just like, well, why don't you just sublease x amount of area in the gym and then I can afford this and you can start your spot and go from there, and I think it was cost me 500 bucks a month. Um, so for me I was like, will cover that Worst case. I have my own spot to train 24 hours a day, so I don't have to answer to anybody or, you know, wait for the gym to be opened up with a key or something like that. And then that grew to, you know, I think, 50 members when I moved into my own spot, you know, and then it grew to where we are now. So, uh, what.
Speaker 2:so just for a timeline, jake, just backpedal slightly. Yeah, at what point did you start in your mate's CrossFit gym, like what point in your jiu-jitsu journey, and also what year? And then at what point did you then do your own thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so 2018, october 1st, so it's coming up to our sixth birthday. I think is when we started in the CrossFit gym and I got my black belt in January of 2018. I was teaching at Scrappy MMA, which is notorious now for, you know, your Jack Deller and guys like that Ben Vickers gave me an opportunity to teach there full-time and I was loving it, you know. But when I got this opportunity, I couldn't pass it up and you know, ben and I are still on good terms. You know he knew I didn't leave on bad terms and got this opportunity. And then, 12 months later, literally is when I got my own spot. You know, their CrossFit gym had grown to so much that they needed the space and my jiu-jitsu side of things had grown so much that I needed more space. So it worked out perfect. Man, like, my lease was up with him, or my su lease, and he needed it and I needed it. So I was able to find a gym right around the corner.
Speaker 1:Um, that I didn't even look at. You know my cousin, uh, he owns a few businesses and he was helping me out looking for places. I was in bali and he was like man, I found this spot. Look, it's perfect, the rent's perfect, everything's good. And I'm I'm pretty laid back man and I was just like, well, if you think it's good, like, send the papers over, I'll sign them. All good, and he did, and we're still here, man. So sometimes I feel like you know, opportunity knocks and you've got to take it, and then other things I'm super calculated on. But yeah, I was very lucky with that man, that's awesome, yeah, that's awesome, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, the crazy thing for me is like I mean, I guess, even like before social media, like I mean social media has been around for a while across many different platforms, but you know, I had awareness of you as a competitor and then I just, I think I became more aware of you as an athlete.
Speaker 2:Like this guy's a fucking unit, and that's why I was like we need to get this guy on Bulletproof, like we need to like recruit this guy somehow, you know. And so, mate, talk to me, because you still, you know you're in great shape and you, you know, like you're training, you train hard all the time and you also coach. So can you talk to me a little bit about, or talk to us at least? Like how do you juggle the? You're a coach, you're a gym owner, but also you still, you know you're keeping yourself kind of competition ready, gas station ready. Know you're keeping yourself kind of competition ready, gas station ready. I mean you just won the m16, uh, champion belt, like what a month ago, not even a month ago, like yeah, two days, talk about that.
Speaker 1:Mate flew out to america so I didn't even get to celebrate it because adele trump me. But it's all right, I'll get it back but you would know.
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Speaker 1:Go to the grip physiocom yeah, yeah, definitely, that's definitely one I wanted to tick off, man, and that was definitely one. I don't really focus too much on titles and I know that sounds weird because I am a competitor, but I've never won a title that's changed who I am as a person and how I am day to day, and I don't think I ever will. You know what I mean. And I obviously get to talk to Adele now after she's won ADCC and we laugh like nothing's changed as her as a person and me as a person. You know it's the same thing. Um, so they're more just personal challenges, um, and as long as I'm validated in myself and and what I do, you know they, I don't really care if people think it's good or not. You know I care and that's all that matters. Um, so for me, man, it's just time management. You know, like, like you said, I wear quite a few hats. Dad will always come first. You know, like, my relationship with my daughter, uh, nothing will get in the way of that. Um, and I'm very lucky that she's very understanding of what I do and she enjoys it and she, she gets a certain lifestyle because of it. Um, but I tell the guys all the time. You know, like if I have to go to, not have to, but if I she's got a, a school event on and there's pro class on, I'm not going to be at pro class. You know what I mean and that's just how it is. That's a priority for me and I lay that out quite early and I think, as long as you do that, people will understand. But if I was like Jiu-Jitsu is everything, nothing comes in the way and then I'm not rocking up because of other events, then I'm just talking smack, you know. So that's number one.
Speaker 1:But also just like, I love what I do, so I make sure I do it. So, like today, for example, I knew I had this podcast with you guys at 9.30. I have to coach a bit later on and then I'm teaching a masterclass tonight and Tuesday's lifting day. Well, I need to get my lift in. So I woke up earlier. You know what I mean. Like it's, it's actually not that hard, you know, just schedule it a little bit better than, uh, what you usually would and then make it a priority. So for me, lifting today was a priority, you know, like watching Netflix or playing PlayStation love to do it, love to read books, not a priority. You know what I mean. So if I don't get to play Madden today because I had to lift and then go work, it is what it is. You know. Know, these, these things are priority for me, so I make sure that they're. They're textbook and and I do them non-stop.
Speaker 1:Um, and that's how I'm able to keep up and and still be in good shape at uh, competitive shape at you know, 33, and I only feel like I'm getting better too, man, like I don't feel like I'm slowing down. I thought when I hit 30, that was it, you know, I was going to move on to something else in terms of coaching or career-wise, in terms of business and etc. Um, but I've only started to get better because I'm a lot better with my time management. Um, and my guys know that too, you know, and, to be fair, I don't do anything else, like I don't want to do anything else. I don't like anything else I'd love you to.
Speaker 1:I don't force myself to do it. I don't force myself to study. I don't force myself to coach. I don't force myself to train. I I don't force myself to train, I want to do it. You know what I mean. And if I ever come across a day where I'm like it's just not today, you know, maybe it's my mental health, or maybe I'm just not feeling well or whatever then I'll rest and I think that's one thing I've learned a lot better now as I got older is I can have a day off and it's okay, like I don't have to beat myself up about it, I don't have to kill myself over it and be like, oh no, I've had a day off, someone's going to get better than me. You know, as long as I'm ticking the boxes as often as possible, consistency wins over time.
Speaker 3:Mate, can you talk about, like, something I've observed with you and I'm sure you know we're going to go into. It is like you have a mentorship that you run right where I'm assuming you foster other, um, aspiring athletes, yeah, and what like what I'm what I've always found very fascinating about that the stuff that you share around that is that you seem to have a very systemized and kind of deliberate way of, like, coaching people and and bringing your best to the world of jujitsu, yeah, which is really in counter to what we see in jujitsu typically whereby it's haphazard.
Speaker 3:Coaches are just like, do the fucking technique that I'm teaching competitions, like just compete more and you'll get better, Like no, there's not a lot of people that are actually bringing like frameworks and support and accountability and structures to this thing. So I've always been really struck by by you know the little bit that you share about that. Can you talk? Like I do want to hear about the mentorship. Break that down for us later. But what I want to know is like where did you get the inspiration for that from and how did you start to develop this approach to educating others?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I just tried to reverse engineer what the best coaches and athletes in the world were doing outside of Jiu-Jitsu. I've never looked really inside of Jiu-Jitsu in terms of trying to copy someone's style or what they're doing. You know, dana is probably the most famous coach in Jiu-Jitsu and I think he's incredible, but I'm not Danaher, so I don't want to coach like Danaher, I want to coach like me, so I just wanted to study as much as possible. So not only do I study Jiu-Jitsu, but I study athletes and coaches from other sports. I think we have such a massive resource in terms of I'll use American sports as the best example in your NFL, your NBA, your NHL and tennis you know these kinds of sports that have this framework and structure in place that these athletes are not only the best athletes in the world, but they're making millions of dollars and setting their families up, not for life, for generation, you generation. They're setting up generational wealth over time. They're transcending sports. They're getting into the mainstream of life and I think that's where you need to look at for the athletes in jiu-jitsu, because what the athletes in jiu-jitsu is they want that, but they don't know how to do it because no one in our sport is showing them how to do it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So when we use Adele as the easiest example because of what she's done, you know we turned her into a professional. She was always talented. I would never, ever take credit for her talent, but her ability to turn into a professional in everything she does was something we worked on massively. And I took that from you, kobe Bryant, you Michael Jordan, you Tom Brady, you know back jockovich, you know you tiger woods. And I'm only talking about their athletic careers. I'm not talking about any of their scandals or whatever. I never do, I'll get to that. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, of course I have morals and values and I'm not going to agree with some things, but I'm only talking about them as their athletic prowess.
Speaker 1:And then I look at coaches too. You know nick saban's a college football coach that you guys would probably know of, but not a lot of people would know of. Being an American sport man. I've studied so much Nick Saban footage and books and everything because he is the most successful coach. So how did he do it? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And then other coaches in that space too, you know that I really dwell deep into that, because I want to be able to give the best, not just to my athletes but to myself, you know, and I want to be able to finish my career, whatever it is, in jiu-jitsu, and be like I had an impact. And an impact is not winning titles. An impact is on someone's life, changing their life, and it could be you know something, I say something, I do whatever but if I've made an impact on them and I've been able to help them, that's how I want to leave my mark. You know what I mean. That's what's the most important thing to me.
Speaker 1:It's very easy to say that when someone wins a title. You know what I mean, but I know that the impact I've had on Adele far transcends what she does on the mat. You know what I mean and it's very funny because she's been doing a lot of podcasts now and I'm so proud of her in terms of the way she's able to handle herself and the way she speaks. But a lot of the mannerisms and a lot of the the mental, mental work we've done together, it's coming through and I can see it coming through, and a lot of people won't pick that up because they don't spend a lot of time with it and I don't need the validation from that, but I'm so proud that I'm having that impact. I know all about Jiu-Jitsu, therefore, listen to me, man. I study all day, every day, and every aspect.
Speaker 3:Could you talk on some of the specific things you've done with Adele?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So Adele is obviously like I said, she's very talented and she started at a young age, so everyone's always told her how talented she is. Right, she started when she was 10. She started winning a lot of big tournaments at Blue Belt. So everyone's telling her how good she is, everyone's telling her like, you're going to win this and you're going to win that and you know, at some point I really believe she believed that, that it was just going to happen for her. You know what I mean? And no, give world's.
Speaker 1:Last year she lost in the final and we had a real hard conversation in my living room about how she is and how she acts and what she does and like, in my opinion, this is what she needs to do. And then we made a decision. You know, she either trusted what I was doing or she didn't. Either way, we're still friends, I still love her, but if she was going to take that next level, this is what I believe that she needed to do, and it was little things, man. So every training session that she does in lead up to competition or so obviously AACC was the competition, was completely scheduled out for her and program. So I would tell her. You need to do this, this and this today. You need to work on this, this and this. And then we don't let any excuse slide in oh, I didn't have the training partners today, or I woke up late, or you know the coach wasn't in today, or you know whatever. No, that's, that's you can control all those things. You know what I mean wasn't in today, or you know whatever. No, that's, that's you can control all those things. You know what I mean. So we do control all those things. So I've mentioned this before, like with her training partners, she knows who's going to be in the room and whatnot. And then if I need specific work, I'll actually contact her training partners for her and say hey, joey, I need you to do this with Adele today. Don't tell her I said this, but when you roll with her, I need you to focus on this, this and this. Now, whether the athlete does that or not, it's not under my control. You know what I mean. But I feel like the people she has around her want to support her and help her so much that they do listen and they don't take it as, oh, Jake's trying to be controlling, or he's trying to be the man and be the face. I don't care, it doesn't bother me. We talk about this all the time. I don't care if she ever mentions me on a podcast. It's not what I do it for, but I do it to make sure that she's at her best. So there's little things like that Skill development for her competitions.
Speaker 1:If you look at her competitions leading up to ADTC, none were as impressive as what she did at ADTC. That was the point, because we were making sure that when she came to ADTC, that because we were making sure that when she came to ADCC, that was the best Adele we're going to get. So she fought a girl on Grapple Fest who's amazing, fiona but we knew that she probably wasn't at the level Adele was at right. So we tried a heap of different things some passing, some mounts, some back stuff, getting ready for what you were going to see at ADCC. Same with Ana Rodriguez Very boring match, super boring. Exactly what we needed, because we needed that and we needed how Adele was going to adapt under that kind of pressure and that kind of boring match when she's usually super exciting for ADCC. So we look at the bigger picture, man, and not everything is about wins and losses. You know it's about getting to where she went to ADCC.
Speaker 1:So Adele trusts me in what I do and I give that trust back by working harder than anybody to coach her. You know what I mean and I've said this to JT and I've said this to other coaches. I work with. You. Don't have to hold my hand If you tell me you need this, this and this. You know I've done it, like there's, there's not even a question. You know I will do it. If I trust you and if I'm working with you, I probably trust you.
Speaker 1:Adele's the same.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I don't have to. When I tell her how you need to work on this, I don't have to worry about oh no, she just went and did her own thing. I know she's doing it and I can watch it, but I know when I see her, uh, face to face, you know we have a very like weird relationship is, although I'm coach and student and it's friends, it's also kind of like big brother, little sister kind of relationship where like, if she hasn't done something that I've asked her to do, I might not talk to her for a couple of days because she's so worried about like disappointing me and letting me down, that she will go silent. You know what I mean and she's used to that.
Speaker 1:So we've had to have those conversations. We're like no, I'm not here to get mad at you, I'm not. I'm not going to yell at you, I'm not going to be mad at you. You know you didn't do the right thing, that's enough. If you feel it that you have to not talk to me or exclude yourself from certain things, you knew you stuffed up. You know what I mean. I don't have to yell at you for it and then what she'll do is she'll fix it. It won't happen again. You know what I mean. So we take the professionalism to a very, very high level and again I've caught flat foot in the past. Or while you try to like, we have a pro class at my gym. Labeling yourself a professional isn't about the money you get paid. It's about the mindset you bring in to every single aspect of your life daily. That's what we focus on. She's definitely got to that professional level.
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Speaker 1:at what point. She's from mel Melbourne too. Yeah, she just studied. She just studied here, oh sorry my mistake.
Speaker 2:So when she because she was based in in Perth for a little while, that's when she started working with you, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, so they were here, for they came here during COVID, um, so I've been working with Adele for about four years now, um, but I obviously knew her before that. Like she's like she's been amazing for a long, long time, you know. So I knew her before that. But when she came here, um, I actually kind of recruited her, and not even for her, I recruited her for my partner at the time. Uh, bam bam, who's amazing in herself? Yeah, she's. She's uh amazing jiu-jitsu talent. I was like this girl is your weight and better than you. If I can get her in the training room, she's going to help you. And then the friendship fostered and then the coaching relationship fostered and it worked from there. But, yeah, I actually got adele in the gym for to use as a training partner for someone else, funnily enough nice.
Speaker 2:But can you, can you just quickly speak to the kind of um the management side, like how you work the kind of online coaching relationship piece, like you do with your mentorship, like how do you go about that if somebody is somewhere else in the world, whether it be within australia or not, yeah, how you engage with them and help them yeah, there's different levels, man.
Speaker 1:So obviously adele would be at at that tier one level where I talk to her every day. You know what I mean. Every day, I'm either on the phone with her, we're sharing text messages, she's sending me videos, we're doing check-ins every single day. So she's on that tier one level and then underneath that man, it's very similar but it'll be spread out a little bit more. So obviously, phone conversations and videos is going to be the easiest way to speak to people. I think that's the best way to do it. And then just also, man, it does become a trust thing.
Speaker 1:So one of the things that I do with the mentor programs, or being a mentor in itself, is you need to have accountability and you need to take responsibility, and those two things are super important. I never work well with athletes that I need to hold their hand. It's just not going to work, man, I know this well. With athletes that I need to hold their hand, it's just not going to work. Then I know this, because I know that I cannot coach everybody. I also know that I cannot be coached by everybody. You know what I mean. You need to find the right relationship for you and you need to fight and that could be holding your hand. If you find a coach that holds your hand, that can take you to that next level, that's not wrong. I'm just saying I don't do that. So, like when I work with the athletes, you know you learn to take accountability for yourself. You know, like I know, if you're doing the right things or not, because I can see it. You know, I have that experience in seeing the skill development and if I've asked you to do something or put in your program hey, we need to focus on that I can tell whether you're doing it or not. You know what I mean, Just like you guys would be able to tell if you've asked someone to fix their technique when they're squatting. You know what I mean If you've asked them to do certain adjustments in their squat and maybe their numbers go up, but their technique looks the same. You know Adele in the gym. So we do have that relationship there.
Speaker 1:But it's not that difficult to be fair because, again, I'm not trying to be your technique coach. I obviously can, but I'm not trying to just like I didn't just give Adele techniques and she won ADCC. That's not what happened. Like that's far, far, far removed from what happened, but it's a lot more to it. Man, you know what I mean and when I I, to be fair, I try and just open those doors so that you can do it yourself.
Speaker 1:Like I don't really want to coach athletes like I do, adele, like it's hard. You know what I mean, because it takes a lot, you know, and adele has an amazing relationship, um, you know, with my daughter as well. So it's it's a bit easier because when I'm with her, I can bring ava and there's no issues. Or if I'm doing a hour phone call with adele, you know ava will be with me and they'll talk to each other and stuff. So that's that makes it a bit easier. Um, but it's also like it takes a lot of me to do as well. So I I really need to make sure that the athlete themselves is giving back as much as I'm giving, because I know what I'll give and it's a lot yeah, could I ask you, um, what's your?
Speaker 3:you know you've obviously got some very well evolved views around coaching and in a, in a space like jiu-jitsu, where things are often kind of stuck in the dark ages a bit, can you just give me some some general thoughts on like, what do you think coaches could do better? You know, when you're looking at the approach, not even with elite athletes, but just with your standard jiu-jitsu person where do you think they could improve?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean just being more open-minded is number one and just doing more. And that sounds so negative, but it's not. You know what I mean. What I mean by doing more is like don't take your student Cause. In Jiu Jitsu we have this like loyalty thing right and we have this like this very team orientated environment and you know you, once you you come into my gym, you're only part of my gym and we do things like this. It's like don't take the people in your gym for granted. You know what I mean. Like give them everything you've got. So like when you come to class, one of the main things I do is man, I could be exhausted. You know my.
Speaker 1:I talk about my mental health a lot. Maybe it's not great that day or whatnot, but when I teach you jujitsu, I'm going to teach you at the highest possible level that I can, because that may or may not be the last class I ever teach you and I want you to be able to take something away from it that's helped you. You know what I mean. And again, technique is the base. So we spoke about this with Adele. Hard work is the bare minimum. Don't tell me you're coming and working hard. You have to. You're a professional athlete. So, as a coach, showing you technique is the bare minimum. You come in. I show you a technique. That's the bare minimum of what I need to do. Yeah, go above that. Help them out more. You know, coach them while they're rolling, give them a tip, give them encouragement. You know what I mean. Understand the people in your gym or the people you're coaching. Some need hard conversations, some need a little bit, a little bit softer. I'm not on all my athletes. Sometimes I do, you know. Give them a little bit more encouragement than whatnot, and others I'll kick in the bum because I know that that's what they need. You know what I mean. So that was.
Speaker 1:It frustrates me sometimes as a gym owner. Man is like I'll get athletes or people come and visit, or I'll visit gyms and I'm not putting anyone down or anything like. That's not what I'm saying, but like sometimes I just feel like you're just collecting people's money and I'm not putting anyone down or anything like that. That's not what I'm saying, but like sometimes I just feel like you're just collecting people's money and I'm like man, I don't like that, because I don't do that and I would never want someone to do that to me. I never want to feel like a number when I go to a gym.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and you don't have to make the class all about me or anything like that, but I want to feel like you want to help me get better. That's, that's important. I think you know what I mean. And then, from an athlete's point of view, don't expect your athletes to give you a hundred percent or or try and give their all when you're not doing that. You know what I mean. Like if you want your athletes to be at a higher level and they're competing or whatnot, and you don't want to go on a sunday because you want to watch sorry, that's the the dog, uh, and you want to watch the, you want to watch the football.
Speaker 1:Or you want to watch the dog and you want to watch the football. Or you want to watch Netflix, oh yeah, text me how you go or send me a video how you go. Why does that guy want to fight? He's best for you. You know what I mean. Like, this is the role that we signed up for, so you've got to do what is involved all the time. You know what I mean. You don't get to pick and choose which days you want to be the coach and which days you don't. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like again, we talk a lot about adele. She's an easy example. The night before the finals, one of our friends got us tickets to an nfl game and and I wanted to go, she got me a ticket and she got her a ticket. I'd never been. It was at allegiance stadium and I was like sweet, so I Adele hey, this is what happened. And Adele was like you know, I'd feel more comfortable if you stayed home and watched a movie with me. And I said sweet, sorry, man, sorry, I can't go. Adele wants me to stay home. Oh, but it's only going to be a couple of hours. No, I get that, but this, this is what's going to make her most comfortable, so I'm gonna do that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like you have to put the athlete first, and it's so cool she could she could say that to you, because I'm sure, like maybe you know it would be hard to say that to a coach in that scenario like no, I actually just want you to hang out with me, yeah, and not do that thing, but that's honest yeah, we talk.
Speaker 1:I mean, our relationship is great like that. It's built on trust and honesty and I joke about this all the time. She gets really jealous when I coach other people, but she does and we do have conversations that you know. Like she obviously doesn't get jealous about the gym the gym's a separate thing but like I do coach some other athletes similar to how I coach her, and she very much is like hey, I've got this coming up, I need your full attention. And we have that relationship where I'm like okay, like it's it's beneficial for both parties in terms of I get to experience opportunities and get to work with a high level athlete and she gets the coach that she needs for that certain time, you know. So, uh, it goes both ways, definitely, um, but it is very much like that too, man, it is a commitment to each other and it sounds weird because she's she swings for the, the other team, but it is a, is it a commitment?
Speaker 3:So yeah, Just on on that. Did you have any run-ins at all with Andre Galvan? Was there ever any like treading on each other's toes and like a moment of confrontation?
Speaker 1:Never the second. I walked in the gym. You know he was amazing. He wanted me to coach the in the pro team in the pro sessions. He asked questions, he asked for advice on certain things with Adele. You know, when we're coaching the corner, he didn't override me on anything. You know, it was great having him there Prior and after as well. He was amazing. You know, as soon as Adele won the 55-k kilo uh title, he turned to me and said coach, you got one, you got a champion, congratulations. You know, and I thought that was amazing. Um, never at all, man, never at all.
Speaker 1:And like, you're gonna see stuff on social media about him posting and and this amount. I've got a few questions about that. He should. So he should. She represented his gym, she did his training camp. You know, like those are the perks that you get when you represent atos. You get andre galvao and everything that comes with it. So, yeah, if he's going to use social media to to help build his brand and the and the team and whatnot, good, I fully support it. And then I got questions oh, why did you wear an atos shirt and not an essence shirt, or you know? And it's just unnecessary. Man, I know the relationship I have with adele. Adele asked me to wear the shirt. Andre asked me to wear the shirt. I have my logo tattooed on my arm it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It don't matter to me, man. You know what I mean. It's, it's so, yeah, it doesn't matter, but no small stuff isn't? It doesn't mean shit he is uh genuinely a good person that's very cool and I asked that.
Speaker 3:By the way, he seems like the most lovely guy, like when you you look at his conduct and we saw him racing from um, racing from adcc to cji, yeah, um and yeah.
Speaker 1:He seems like he, like yourself, is just fully invested in his students he's fully invested in in them achieving their goals, which I don't think people understand the difference between them achieving their goals and him being the face. You know what I mean. So, like I talk about this a little bit like adele won adcc, I didn't win adcc. Now she'll push me to say I'm an adcc champion, coach and capitalize and things like that. But I fully understand that adele won adcc and she should be getting all the accolades that that come along with that. You know what I mean. And Andre is very much like that. Now he's going to get more notoriety because of who he is compared to, like myself, but so he should because he's built his career doing that.
Speaker 1:When he was out the back and he had different athletes Philippe Penard, kynan, rafael, adele all in that training room none of their coaches had to uh answer to him in terms of like. He didn't come over and be like no, you need to do this or you need to do that. He was very much like do you need me? Are we good? Okay, okay, but what about this? Okay, yeah, have you considered this? Like? It was very much back and forth. It was not like I'm in control and I have to be seen as in control at all and, uh, I took a lot from that. To be fair, I really watched other people watch as well. So being backstage atCC I was like watching what people were doing and things like that, and I picked up a lot from that man.
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Speaker 2:I was really interested to understand because obviously we're you know, we back Adele 100%. You know we've been working with her on her S&C program and you know I reached out to her about 18 months ago and just said hey, what are you doing? Can we help? How can we help? Yep, because obviously you know I've been aware of her for but yeah, since she was a blue belt and just seeing her rise and and obviously knowing that she was, she was working with you as well um, we just want to get behind her, however we could, and I know she's a, she's a, she's a beast like she. She does the work and really respect that what I would like to know, just from my like, just for my own curiosity, because we were at adcc, we were at cji, yeah, and we had friends at both events.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mate, please can you talk a little bit and give a bit of a behind the scenes, because I got to go behind the scenes. I was very lucky. I was doing a little bit of work with fabio colloy, who's a longtime friend of mine. I was also doing his snc program leading up to the adcc, so I got to be there backstage, which was cool, yeah. But could you please talk about your experience being there, the media, the setup, like, because I me personally, I and I don't say this to color anything you're gonna say, yeah, I felt like the show was probably really good for the internet and for the audience in a way at adcc, but maybe not the best for the athlete and the coach yeah, with, okay, coaches over here, athletes go there, that kind of thing. Can you please talk about your experience as a coach being there with adele run us through all of the everything, yeah, and your take on what it was like to be there mat side and experience all of that?
Speaker 1:yeah, like I think it was a little bit different for us because we're obviously so like locked in on what we're trying to do. I think one of the biggest issues, man, was that T-Mobile was such a massive arena. They obviously have their own staff that run that arena year round and that staff is used to a particular crowd and used to a certain way of running things and due to people aren't. You know what I mean? So were the security were very strict on everything and there was no allowances made. You know, at one point I heard one of the security guards not letting mo onto the floor and he's like what do you mean? This is my event. And the guy's like, yeah, you don't have, you don't have your tag on you. And he's like, yeah, that's my event.
Speaker 3:And I'm like he's, like you know, the craig jones invitational. I'm the Craig Jones of this shit, yeah.
Speaker 2:I own. I pay the rent on this motherfucker, it was wild man.
Speaker 1:But they're used to like dealing with the hockey crowd, you know, and they're used to dealing with concerts and things like that, where you know they're not everybody. We've got our own little famous community, you know. So not everybody in like the hockey crowd is going to have that. You know that pull of like oh, but I know so-and-so or I'm this person or whatnot. So I think that was very difficult for the athletes and coaches to deal with, because you're constantly separated, You're constantly not allowed to be near each other. You have to walk at a certain time while your athlete walks at a certain time. And you know Adele and I have certain rituals and stuff we do before the match and you know I had to get taken away from her at a certain time for her to walk out, and you know which wasn't ideal, but you know we dealt with her after. You know her first couple of matches. We then game plan for that. Okay, this is how it's going to work. Besides that man, like the locker room was great. You know there was a good energy in the locker room. There's enough mat space for everybody. Day two, we were in Kynan's locker room, Kynan being the champion and one of the bigger names had his own space and you know we were very lucky that we were allowed to be in there and you know that was great. Seeing all the behind the scenes with that kind of stuff, man, um, I thought one of the best things about the arena was like when I'd go and get some food or go and take a break or you know, go and uh, soak up some of the atmosphere. All the TVs had all the match running so you didn't have to miss anything at all. I thought that was pretty cool, because imagine missing Pixley, throwing Marigali because you went to the bathroom, You'd be devastated but the TVs were everywhere so you weren't going to miss that stuff. So, besides that man, I didn't find it too bad. You know what I mean. I heard CJ. I would have loved to have gone. Obviously big fan of Craig, I've known Craig for a long time. I would have loved to have gone.
Speaker 1:Didn't work out just due to the fact that Adele had to weigh in and then day two, like I said, she was pretty keen on having me around. But we watched it and I heard the atmosphere was really good. I definitely do think a smaller venue is way better for atmosphere in anything. You know what I mean. Like it's very hard, unless you fill the T-Mobile arena with 60,000, are you going to get the kind of atmosphere that you're chasing, Like even with the UFC events?
Speaker 1:Sometimes you fill an arena, like over here at RAC Arena in Perth. I think it's like don't quote me, but let's say 15,000. You, it's like don't quote me, but let's say 15,000. You fill that and you get told, oh, the Perth's one of the best crowds in the world because everybody's around each other. You know what I mean. You spread that out. It's not 60,000, but 25,000, let's say but spread out, it doesn't seem as good, yeah. But yeah, I enjoyed it, man, I honestly really enjoyed it and I enjoyed being there and I still pinched myself at certain points to be like this is what I'm doing and where I am and yeah, I enjoyed it Can you quickly talk about?
Speaker 2:so obviously, Adele, she won the 55-kilo category. That was amazing. And the way she won the category, finished with the mere lock, amazing, right, Because that was freaking fast and you know Bea Basilico is a maniac, so she's a super tough opponent For her to finish her like that was great. But then coming into Absolute, you know, obviously Adele is a small frame human From what we could see, right like we're up in the stands. But it seemed, at least to me, the girls were a little bit scared of adele. Like there was like apprehension, like oh my god, this this little bear trap of a human's gonna fucking snap me up. You know, because there was hesitancy, which I didn't expect. I thought there would be more aggression, but it seemed like people were quite intimidated by Adele's game. And can you talk to me a little bit about like one being Matt's side coaching her through that and being her being the smallest person in the absolute and then two coaching against Andre Galvan in this semifinal? Talk about that.
Speaker 1:Sorry, is that me? I hope not. Sorry, you're good. We actually didn't plan to do. We spoke about it and then we were like we'll make a decision after her weight class. Mo grabbed me after she won and just said are you going to put her in the absolute? I was like, let me talk to her, let me see what she thinks. And I just asked her and she was like well, what do you think? And I was like, look, you're injury free, you had a great run. You were communicating really well, like between coach and student, like we're on the same page and we may never be here again. We plan to be here, but we may never be here again. I think you should do it. And then she just looked at me and said sign me up. So I said, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1:And then the bracket came out and it was pretty difficult. She had two friends first round and then she had sorry, beer mosquito in the final, you know. And I had to go back and game plan for the route we were going to take, which is quite difficult. We trained with Brianna all week. They're best friends. We train the whole camp with Hafi Allah. They're very close.
Speaker 1:And then obviously, bia is a puzzle in herself. The reason I believe they were so hesitant is because I have this theory with Adele it's not really a theory. It's like when you fight someone in MMA and they have that one-punch knockout power right, you're always very hesitant about getting in range just in case you get clipped. Now you might be 10 times more technical than they are, but they, if they clip you, you're going out right. Adele is a 55 kilo female, has that ability as a grappler. When she gets a hold of you, whether you're male, female or whatever size you are, you realize she's got a hold of you and she can break you. And it's different. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like in the semi-final, anna rod and bia both had really good straight foot locks, to be fair. Like I felt like a little bit of difference and there could have been a finish, but there's no break. They weren't scared of breaking each other, they both just cranked right. You can't do that with adele. Adele will break your shit.
Speaker 1:So, uh, I think when people grab her, the girls start to understand and realize oh, hang on, I cannot make a mistake here because I will pay for it. You know what I mean. And I think Rihanna and Rafaela training with her knew that. So they were a bit hesitant. And I think when Bia grabbed her and realized that Bia's got a pretty budding MMA career happening at the moment, I don't think she wanted to take a break in the ADCC final, in case you know what I mean. So she was very hesitant because she was like if Adele gets something, I'm in trouble here. So that really played into that factor, you know. But Adele is 100% Maddie and has been her whole career, which people don't talk about enough, about how impressive that is, not only being the smallest, but she isn't taking any performance enhancing drugs um, not knocking anyone that does, but definitely like if we're if we're them anyway, whatever if we are going to talk about, you know, like uh, people doing it, well, we should congratulate the people that don't do it.
Speaker 1:You know, and she's uh, she's one of them well said and I think that, uh, what really separated her too was her mindset.
Speaker 1:She's been talking about this a lot on podcasts about how adcc, the first one she did she was just happy to be there. And this time she was happy to, she was, she was taking heads, she was there to win, you know, and, uh, we had a real good conversation right before the final of the absolute, where I won't go into too much detail, but we basically just were grateful of the spot we were in, but we weren't content, you know and I still a lot of stuff from from kobe bryant and I just said to her you know, job's not finished, like job's not finished. Obviously, if she lost, I was still proud of her, like she's amazing and it was a great feat, but in that moment that wasn't what the mindset called for and I just looked at her and I was like, look, job's not finished. She said job's not finished. And then we fucking went out there and she did what she did and she gets to be a two-time acc world champ for the rest of her life minimum bro.
Speaker 1:When she got on that, when she got on that arm, I was fucking yeah, yeah, so it's funny, like no one can find footage of her doing choy bars previous to adcc, and that's something we developed about three months ago, for her was hey, do you do choy bars? And she's like no. And I'm like, do you know how to do a choy bar? She's like, yeah, I'm like we need to start doing choy bars. So we really did worked on that for, you know, a good solid three months, because I felt like all the other aspects of her game led to the person using the opposite side arm to frame either on her wrist or on her head, which really set up the opportunity for a joy bar.
Speaker 1:And Adele has always been good at arm bars, so if she gets on your arm, she has an uncanny ability to keep control of your arm through scrambles. So I was like, cool, we need to add this. And then she was able to use it multiple times throughout the day, which is amazing, um, but it just goes to show she can evolve instantly. You know it doesn't take her years of evolution to get to that next spot. We can adapt very, very quickly that's awesome fucking cool man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's I. Um, I was excited to see the overhook game in full effect. Close guard, overhook it was my ghost Kind of still there as a default. I think it's what I played for so long. And then you know you fall out of fashion, things fall out of fashion at close guard and then you see Adele just wrecking crew with it and you're like fuck yeah, it's back.
Speaker 1:I think she's actually going to film either for Submeta or BJ Fanatics, her system from there and it's a really good system. You know, she's got it down pat and that's one of those positions that I was talking about. When she gets the overhook, it's not like a normal overhook, you know what I mean. Like when she overhooks me, it's like I'm with someone in my own weight class, you know, and I've got 25 kilos on. Her has that power from that position to put damage on, which is which is crazy.
Speaker 2:Epic, amazing man. Well, I feel like you know, obviously you're the, the combination of, I mean obviously everything she, she learned, but you guys working together has created history, which is just obviously. It's just fucking makes us.
Speaker 2:So you know, whatever patriotism like, just Aussies like, just like it's not even that, it's just like friends seeing your friends do well at the highest level, it's, it's just the fucking best. Yes, and then also to see them beat the world's best, it's like you already have it in your head Like, ah, you, you know, we back her 100, she's our girl, we believe she can be champion. But then to see it realized, yeah, and then everyone fucking else is getting hype on it and you just see, like the internet on fire. Yeah, yeah it, it's colossal. And the only other moment I can compare it to for me is like when locky, yeah, kind of had his run for the bronze medal. Yeah, and I mean that was phenomenal, just because locky looks like such an average guy, yeah, and all the doozy beats were so fucking jacked, yeah, another example of someone who's natty beating. Yeah, you know some clearly enhanced humans. Yeah, no, no shade on them, because they're just fucking titans.
Speaker 2:You know they're champions in their own right, but being there, live and seeing it, it's like is this fucking happening right now? Like did you I mean, obviously you're there, you, you're in it, so you're business as hell. Right, you're coaching, yeah, but did you have like a little pinch me moment? Or were you like, holy shit, this is fucking, because it's possibly not repeatable, other than maybe Adele to do it again, but I don't think anyone else could repeat such a feat.
Speaker 1:That's my takeaway. I don't think so either, and the way she did it too, was exceptional. I think that's very difficult to do, and I also think that the lineup of girls in that 55 division literally is the best in the world. There wasn't a lot of people you could have changed into that division. Obviously, fionn is the one that everyone talks about.
Speaker 2:Oh, the call-out, bro, the call-out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think if Adele hadn't beaten Bia Mosquita, there might have been a bit of a okay, is she the best in the world or is she not, you know, because of Theo not being there, but the fact that she beat Bea the first time she ever fought her in the final of the Open, you know there's so many factors that go into that, besides just those two squaring off. You know that puts her in that I believe that pound-for-pound spot. I mean I'm biased, but that's what I think you know I lot. I mean I'm I'm biased, but that's what I I think you know. I don't think it'll be repeated. Um, I think she's very much has the ability to. We spoke about this with mo and I don't know if I'm I'm supposed to talk about it or I don't know, I don't care whatever bro share with us, share with us we'll do the super fight next time.
Speaker 1:And her division. You know, try and go and ride up in here, um, and and get another two and get another two. You man. I think she has the ability to transcend the sport. I also think she has the ability to be the greatest grappler on the planet, regardless of male or female, you know, and I think she has some things that will really help her, like I said, transcend the sport. You know we talk about her persona. You know she is gay openly and she will not make any excuses for that, should I say, even though I try and turn her and her partner all the time. They're not for it.
Speaker 1:But you know her ability to talk to people on every level. You know her ability to relate with kids, her ability to relate with females, her ability to relate with males, her ability to relate with people who feel like they're a minority. It transcends your normal athlete. You know what I mean. I think she has so many options now of what she wants to do and she's still super humble man. She's still super humble. I think she's terrible at humble man, um, she's still super humble she'll. I think she's terrible at telling time because she'll call me at like 6 am in the morning, not knowing that you know I'm still in bed and she'll just be like I hope you have a great day. I'm like yeah, well, you just woke me up, so probably not thanks mate, look such a phenomenal thing.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for making the time to talk to us, mate, is there anything that you want to kind of leave off on? Is there any kind of final message or thoughts that you'd like to share with people, coming from your experience as a coach, as an athlete, anything like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So obviously, the episodes spoke a lot about you know what, what was achieved as a coach, as an athlete, as a father, as any of these different hats. The way that I look at it, and the way I think everybody should look at it, especially if you're australian, is that door's open now. Like you can do it, like we just showed you that you can do it, that it is possible. Okay, yeah, adele is talented, but she has a work ethic that is insane and she never uh, she didn't have that from birth. You know she's, she's fostered that over time, so you could do it.
Speaker 1:Surround yourself with the right people. Ask questions constantly, be open-minded. Take advice, take coaching advice. Seek out coaches you know what I mean Strength and conditioning coaches like yourself, nutritionists, jujitsu coaches, performance coaches, whatever.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Strength and conditioning coaches like yourself, nutritionists, jiu-jitsu coaches, performance coaches, whatever you know. Leave no stone unturned. If that's what you really want to do, you know, like it is possible, if you really want to do it. You know what I mean, and I think that's the biggest thing is. For me is like when my daughter gets to an age where she understands what has happened, you know I can show her hey look, this is what dad did to help someone achieve something exceptional. You can do that too. You know what I mean, and I think that's so important for people is just to understand that you don't have to come from a super team, you don't have to be living in America, you do not have to be moving to Brazil. As long as you do the right things and you surround yourself with the right people, you can achieve what you set out to achieve.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome, man. Really appreciate you making the time, man, and sharing those insights with us, man.
Speaker 1:Thanks a lot, jake, we appreciate it bro thank you for always supporting, you know, not just myself but, uh, adele and the other athletes that you do and building this community. That really is just guiding people and showing them, uh, the right way. And you know you guys probably don't get as much praise as you deserve, but you know you've always got our support and we really appreciate you.
Speaker 3:You legend. Hey mate, where can people find out more about your mentorship? And you know, like what do you got going on? Can you give some?
Speaker 1:plugs. Yeah. So my Instagram is pretty, is probably the busiest If you guys want to send me a message there. It's got links to my mentor programs and my Patreon on there as well. My Patreon is a little bit different. I do share technique stuff, but it is very much focused on growing athletes and guiding them and things like that. So definitely check that out. If you've got a chance to do that, if you want to work with me, send me a message. I'm not going to guarantee that we will, but if it's not me, I can definitely point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1:And if you're ever in Perth, essence Jiu-Jitsu is my gym. Everyone's always welcome. It's a very friendly gym. It's a very friendly environment. We're not a competition gym where you're going to come and get beat up. We do not do that here. I don't accept that. Here we're very much just about everybody enjoying Jiu-Jitsu. Of course, if you want hard training, we have that as well, but it's a side uh side project of what uh essence really is and that's just a good culture and community nice.
Speaker 2:So, epic man, thank you, no worries, some brother. Thanks so much, jake. Appreciate you, man.
