Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Discussions on improving your BJJ, navigating mat-politics and all aspects of the jiu jitsu lifestyle. Multiple weekly episodes for grapplers of any level. Hosted by JT and Joey - Australian jiu jitsu black belts, strength coaches, and creators of Bulletproof For BJJ App. Based out of Sydney, Australia
Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Play The Hits: How Much BJJ Training Is Too Much Training?
Play The Hits! This is an excerpt from one of our episodes on why do blue belts quit. Listen to the whole thing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgXMFgoAQc
Listen here as to why we think 3 is the perfect number of jiu jitsu sessions per week, coupled with some strength and mobility.
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A good martial artist does not become tense, but ready.
Speaker 2:Essentially, at this point, the fight is over.
Speaker 1:So you pretty much flow with the goal. Who is worthy to be trusted with the secret to limitless power?
Speaker 2:I'm ready, the general practitioner and this is me too right. These days I'm not doing standalone drilling, I don't make time for that. I go to a class. I know that that's where I'm going to get my jiu-jitsu. I go to class, we do the warm-up, we do the technique, we do some positional stuff and then we spar. So for me I'm like, if I'm looking at that and this is the standard jujitsu class approach three of those a week is enough for you to progress Right now.
Speaker 2:If you want to do more, by all means do more, but understand that by doing more you are potentially taking away from your ability to recover. And then, if you are taking away from your ability to recover, we have to ask are you actually getting as much from those jujitsu sessions as you could be? Now, if the answer to that is an honest and maybe not well, then perhaps less is more, yes. So perhaps by doing three and when you do three like, okay, monday, wednesday, friday, this week, I'm training you set that at the beginning of the week you show up to those sessions with an intention this is my third session this week, I'm getting the most out of this. But if you're showing up like, oh yeah, I'll probably go in tonight. Oh yeah, I'll go in tomorrow night. And then you know, often it's a flaky approach and you're kind of half in the session, you're not really bringing much in it, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I've been guilty of that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:So I really do believe that less is more in that regard.
Speaker 1:So volume doesn't necessarily equate to quality, exactly Cause you're like oh, I'm going to train tomorrow, so it doesn't matter if I kind of shit night tonight how it goes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it's. It is interesting psychologically how that, how it goes, um. But here's the thing. This is this is what I'd say, if you want to quantify this, if we said that a training session, say you've got three a week, so each session is 33% of your jujitsu for that week. Adding a fourth session doesn't equal. I'm now at 133%. No, you might come in really wasted Like end of the week. You kind of just chug over the line. It's not actually 33%, that's like a 5% effort. But what it might do to your body is actually send you backwards. And this is this law of diminishing returns. Doing more doesn't equal getting more. In the same way, if you do four sessions right now and you're like, yeah, I'll add a fifth, you're not now at plus 25%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, does that make sense? It's not as simple as that.
Speaker 1:It's not that simple equation, and what you might find is you're so sore on Saturday you can barely do the house jobs, you can't. Oh man, I'm going to skip gym today because I just fucking body's so sore. My neck got cranked last night.
Speaker 2:I can't tell you. So I had a conversation with a bloke uh, I think he's a brown belt, can't remember his name now, but uh, from the uk, and he was like man, I fucking love what you guys do. It's on the instagram. I want to ask your advice about recovery, blah, blah, blah. And when we you know, back and forth. When we got into it, this guy was training jujitsu five days a week. Right, he was lifting weights five days. So he's like I go in, I go to do my work at lunch time, I go and do a 60 minute weight session. I do that five times a week and I train jiu-jitsu in the evenings, um, and then on the weekends, I usually go and like go to an open mountain a saturday, sometimes a sunday as well, and then you know, and he's like I want to get you know, I want to get strong, I want to get better.
Speaker 2:What do you think? And I was like what's your setup? Like you got family, kids, what's? He's like yeah, I got kids. I'm like how's your sleep? Are you spending enough time with your family? He's like no, it's fucked. Like weekend rolls around. I can't even like, I'm just so tired I hardly got a tent like energy for my kids. He's like yeah, I feel beat up as shit.
Speaker 2:I wake up and I'm like bro, like fucking cut it out, like do less yes and for someone like that and I know there's a lot of people listening who are in a similar position if you are a high achieving type and you are used to this high volume approach to your training, it is very hard to take your foot off the gas.
Speaker 2:But once you can actually experience that life itself becomes more enjoyable when you're recovering better from things and that being able to give time to the other things in your life that are important which are whatever they are to you For this guy I'm like arguably, you want to be in better shape for your kids, right? He's like sure, that is important to me. So it's like all right, well, let's free up some fucking recovery time so that you can be. But once you realize, fuck, I can actually perform better in those things and I'm not going backwards in all this jiu-jitsu and strength training shit, I think that it's a real light bulb moment. You're like fuck, I can do more with less how dare you, joe worthington, bring enjoyment into this?
Speaker 1:I know people aren't getting into this for enjoyment. They're getting into it for the brutality. I'm so fucking weak, god. But I mean, what about more weights? I actually find that I I lift. I mean I do jits three times a week, but I love lifting weights. It's part of my identity. I like to do weights Four or five times a week. Now, do I always do it four or five times a week? No, sometimes it's three. But I do like getting in the gym, get a pump, and there's a lot of people out there. Maybe they have crossfit background, powerlifting background. People do crossfit these days have.
Speaker 2:I heard they still exist. I thought they all went to f45.
Speaker 1:They may have no, but I think it's. Uh, I think it's one of those things. It's difficult to um, it's whatever your habit is. So for some people they're like I'm a runner, I doits, but I run every day. Yeah, okay, cool, it's just, it's that. Fuck that, no more running.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But it's the default mode of I enjoy this, I do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's another hobby, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Right. What would you say to the person like our man Cash? Getting his pump on lately I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I got some footage. Cash crushed it at a recent comp. Yeah, cash, he's good. Yeah, my man, he's getting it from new jersey. Shout out, bro, shout out, he's gonna. Um, uh, he sent me some stuff. I'm gonna do a little little featurette on him dirty pump he's uh, he got really upset over that meme I posted a couple days ago about the guy falling off his guy falling off his bike.
Speaker 2:Because he did, because not doing enough mobility but he knows that's him but he knows, but I'm like bro, you, you, you, you harbor resentment because you're mobile now and this hurts you uh, I think, I think it's one of those things that if you want to live for me, yeah, like I.
Speaker 2:yeah, if you're the lifting type, right as you are, and I'm I'm somewhat of an enthusiast in the gym, yeah, then I think you just got to recognize that that's also a hobby you enjoy, sure, and I'm not trying to advise on that, right. So it's like, yeah, well, if it's important to you to also change your suit but also do some lifting or whatever that is, do that, but understand that there is a balance between the two.
Speaker 2:I definitely wouldn't say, like, if you want to lift five days a week, do it yeah you know, but monitor like, and you obviously do this, I'm not telling you specifically no, no, no, that's no, no, no for folks it's like, hey, that's great. And you We've spoken about this before Understand that the lifting culture you're in wants you just to lift.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And understand that your jujitsu culture just wants you to do jits yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you just follow what both cultures say, you will fucking have a head-on collision with life. So you have to be able to understand what the culture is giving you and then go hey, actually, for me, I think this is what's best. So yeah, I totally am down with that. Actually, for me, I think this is what's best. So yeah, I totally I'm down with that. I'm like, if you're a gym enthusiast man, train more than two times a week strength, yeah. But understand what's recover, what's the term?
Speaker 1:maximum recoverable volume yeah, and it's it. There is a cost. Yeah, there is a cost. And and the thing is and I, I see this so much uh, you know, people say there's a saying which is there's no such thing as over training, just under recovering. But if we just take that away and go, if you want big performance, you need big recovery yeah and we're not just talking like, oh, I'm trying to get in a nice bath, or, uh, you know I'm yeah, I'm eating liver or whatever.
Speaker 2:You know, whatever I ate like a bull's testicle, like last year. So I'm good. I'm good on the recovery.
Speaker 1:It's one of those things. It's like making time to allow your body to rest, digest and bounce back. If you're always working, then you're never really building. Thank you.
