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Wristlocks Are The Best Submission In Jiu Jitsu?!
Do you love or hate wristlocks? Why is there such a large stigma on the so called "Dark Arts" of jiu jitsu? Do you have any good wristlock stories yourself? Tune in here for JT & Joeys strong (maybe controversial) opinions on the matter...
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. Are wrist locks the best move in jiu-jitsu or the worst? There's a lot of stigma around this move and we unpack it today. In the episode, joey and I go back and forth. Is this old school dogma hating on wrist locks, or are people who do wrist locks bad people? Also, is the wrist lock a valid move? Does it require setup? Is it technical, or is it just a quick flash in the pan? That's not technical and just for the tap? Also, there are some famous wrist lockers. How did they do it? Was it effective? Gee, no, gee, find out. But last and not least, if you've been wristlocked, what does that mean and what does that say about the person who did it to you? Are they effective at submission, grappling or are they a bad person? Let's unpack it, let's get into it. The facts will be revealed. Also, while you're there. We appreciate you here. Another thing we would appreciate is for you to like and subscribe. It means a lot to us and if you're listening to this on an audio platform, give us a five-star rating. It's a big help. Oos, better listen very carefully.
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Speaker 1:Are wrist locks the best or nastiest submission in BJJ? It is a hot topic. It will polarize people, love them or hate them. You cannot deny them. They work and we need to unpack it for folks because people get triggered on this. Joe, people get very upset when you talk about wrist locks. Why do? Why do the like? Why is there this conventional hate introduced towards wrist locks? I, there's, it's a, it's a mixture of things there. We, we had this the other week. We had someone say, oh, it's ineffective. Now, as to whether or not something is effective is up to the individual practitioner.
Speaker 1:I believe it is to do with injury. If you've ever been on the wrong end of a wrist lock and I have it can wreck you for months. Actually, you can feel it forever. Basically, it forever, basically, um, and I believe because of that and because it's a, it's a submission doesn't require a lot of technique per se, like in the same way you might. It's a quick one. Yeah, it's just like a it's. It's the equivalent of falling back on an ankle lock. It can, it can be, but there are endless levels of iteration. On a wrist lock, right, like you, but there's no, there's little control. No, no, no, you don't have to pass the gut, Not always, but. But I think. But it's the same right. With a leg lock like, or a guillotine or like you can, you can grab it and crank it and get a submission. But there are folks who are very effective at it and very technical about it. Yeah, and we can get into that.
Speaker 1:But I believe it is injury that makes people hate it. So if you, if you're out there, you're listening to this and you're like, yeah, I've been wrist locked, that fucked me up. I fucking hate dirty wrist lockers. But then you talk to folks who are like yep, I've won championships on this, I'll do it. You know it's like, what's the saying? Like, why would you neglect? Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? Why would you neglect 1.5% of the human body? A tap's a tap, right? This is the argument. Yeah, I mean yeah, like fair point.
Speaker 1:My impression is that it's the old guard of jiu-jitsu, the same old guard that speaks with the funny accent. No, I don't. I totally disagree with this and created the disdain for leg locks. No, no, I reckon it's that I'm going to say no, I'm going to say either it works for you or it works against you. It's rare that you find someone who's kind of in the middle. I, you know it's it's it's. It's hard to find someone who's like on the fence about it. Yeah, oh yeah, sure it's valid. I do it, I don't do it.
Speaker 1:There's either folks who love it or folks who freaking hate it, and it's not necessarily um, old guard, new guard, because I believe that if we look at the history of jiu-jitsu, more folks were doing wrist locks 20 years ago compared to now. Back then, yeah, but were they considered dog cunts? Yes, funny, you mention it, joe. Like the leg lockers, right? Yeah, they're fucking dogs. Yeah, in a lot of ways. What do they call them Chickens? What do they call them A? What do they call them Chickens? What do they call them? A Brazilian thing, frango? Like dead chickens, something like that, some word that was used. People would yell it from the stands. Wasn't there, possibly, but okay, so let's go back a bit further and look at wrist locks Now, if you go to the Treasure Trove which is Reddit, folks will go pretty deep and say, actually, a aikido is renowned for its wrist locks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did more wrist control manipulation work than anyone else, even though bjj obviously has incorporated it into its grappling. Yeah, and you know, maybe we'll save this for the next chat. But, like, if you're disarming someone with a weapon, a knife, a gun, like being able to wrist lock someone's quite valuable, right, yeah. And to be able to control a whole person just by being able to control lock someone's quite valuable, right, yep. And to be able to control a whole person just by being able to control their hand is very valuable, especially if you're like a law enforcement officer or a bouncer. Like that's fucking handy, yeah, because you're inflicting a lot of pain and you're now controlling someone. It's very efficient, yep, let's say that to its credit, there's a famous gentleman named Fredson Pichal I might be saying that wrong Pichal Mello who eventually became an MMA fighter, but was a world champion in jujitsu and was renowned for absolutely destroying people's wrists from close guard too and was hated for this.
Speaker 1:Like injured people, like bad intentions kind of guy I'm not saying he's I mean which is pretty much every fucking grappler. Like, think about leg locks. Yeah, every cunt's coming in. Like in competition, you're breaking people's shit. Yeah, see, I think this is old guard shit. No, no, no. But what I'm saying is Tell me more about Pichon Pichon.
Speaker 1:Well, he actually was quite a successful MMA fighter. Like he fought in every major organization the UFC, wec, like jungle fight, like this guy fought all the early days, so much stuff. But he was a world champion at Purple Belt in the 90s and he won at Black Belt in 2001,. Like at Featherweight, I believe, but was kind of hated. But he really was a big exponent of it and I want to jump from like an old school because he was a gi guy, even though he went to MMA and did that. We were all gi guys back then. Well, who wasn't a gi guy?
Speaker 1:But then let's look at a guy like Mike Perez. Mike Perez is at us. He's a modern day no Gi specialist. I think he's won worlds. I think he might have even won the absolute, maybe at PANS, I don't know. For those of you out there, shout out Mike Perez, he's a beast. He almost fucking ended Craig Jones with a wrist lock in Nogi at Kasai back in 2018. You guys can Google it, craig. Actually he came back and talked about how sore his wrist was like months after that event. Right, and I believe Craig lost that match in the whole Kasai tournament and because Mike swept him up off, he didn't finish the wrist lock. But he has this killer wrist lock from close guard.
Speaker 1:And then let's look at the popularity of Pete the Greek wrist lock the world. Lestos, who's? Pete the Greek Lestos? Pete the Greek wrist lock the world. Is he from Melbourne? No, he's not. Actually that's where all Greeks come from, that's where they go. That's where they go. That's where they go when the Greek economy collapses. Move to Melbourne. There's jobs there. But no, he's got like a ton of instructionals on BJJ fanatics. He's very popular, he's a popular guy. He's good friends with Good Jocko, he's friends with Jocko and he's also friends with, um, uh, old mate glover to share. No, no, no, no, not mma fighter, but he's. He's very well known, he's liked, but he's a kind of polarizing figure because he just believes this is the way.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, so, yeah, I just I can't help but think that it it the reason I think it comes from that old guard piece is because there was some kind of it's not honorable. Well, yeah, there was some kind of nobility or honor that was ascribed to jiu-jitsu fundamentals of take down, pass, guard control and then like submit Arm bars, basic submission, americana, fucking. Sure, not basic, but you know the fundamental submissions and in that way of thinking, then anything that wasn't, that didn't involve those steps. So jumping on a heel hook, jumping on a strangle lock, was like eh, that's a dishonorable way to win. And I think that because wrist locks often come out of opportunistic maybe standing you grab a grip, that kind of thing that it was relegated to the same level of shame. No, I can't agree with that in the sense that, like wrist locking in judo is a legit defense to break a grip. So it comes from the traditional idea of stand-up fighting Like judokas, use it right If you can't break someone's grip, you yeah. But leg locks, like leg locks come from, come from, like traditional jiu-jitsu too, very, very old school, yeah, like they weren't, they weren't getting criticized for it back in the feudal era, japan, well, whereas now you're trying to take someone's sword off them. It's a different story. But but you know what like this was a brazilian jiu-jitsu fabricated thing was. It was like oh, we don't like that that's a shit submission, I don't know. And then fucking Dean Lister comes along and shows every cunt what's up. I don't know if that's true. Shout out, dean Lister. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1:Look, a lot of wrist locks are also organized from close guard. Close guard is a very traditional position. I mean sure, it doesn't always come about from an opportunistic moment, it can be done from anywhere. Let's say that the reason why I think there is an argument for wrist locks, or why certain folks love wrist locks, is they're fucking efficient. Once you know how to do them, you can inject them into a lot of places in the game Also. That said, it is a pain-relevant submission. People will often tap off pain and people who are prepared to eat them and fight out of them suffer damage, and I believe that is at the root of it being hated. So let's, let's go to.
Speaker 1:Uh, so I got wristlocked very badly in Brazil, um, by the same guy, three times in the same role, and so he passed my guard. I think his nickname was Homol, big Homol, I think. Anyway, he was just a bitter cunt of a man. He was a weight and absolute champion at every colored belt, and then he got a career right around the black belt and never became the weight and absolute champion at black belt Right While all these Alliance guys came through and became great champions. And I think he was quite bitter because of that.
Speaker 1:He had me inside control and he had my other arm controlled with his legs and he just did the thing where you like Catch the elbow and wrist on the chest, catch the elbow and just drop the chest on the wrist and I was just like yeah. And he was like can't tap because this one's trapped and this one's getting wrist locked. And he was like, why are you screaming? And I was like, ah, stop. He's like, yeah, tap. He did this to me three times, each time very like fast and hard. And then I didn't like obviously want to cry in the role, but I was like in a lot of pain. And then he called our good friend Adam over and we can get Adam to ratify this conversation. This guy spoke English, very good English. He's a lawyer. He got Adam over to come over and translate how I had been disrespectful to him for screaming. Oh, wow, when he submitted me and I should just tap, even though he organized it, so I could not tap and he gave me a fucking lecture in Portuguese and got Adam to translate in English, even though this guy spoke English.
Speaker 1:Wow, brutal, I couldn't train. So I was in Brazil at that time for, yeah, there was a longer stint six months. I couldn't train properly had he listened to the podcast and maybe disagreed with your stance on some items. We didn't have a podcast at this stage, joe. But yeah, look, I mean, I've always been a polarizing character, but no, he, uh, I couldn't grip properly with my left hand for a month. Wow, I was basically training with one hand for a month. Yeah, I couldn't even put weight in my hand, and this is what I wanted to say is like, even though my wrist was so inflamed and so aggravated, I couldn't do much with my hand, and so I believe that, based off this kind of experience, people are like fucking dirty wrist locker. Fuck that guy. You know? Here's a message I got on Instagram the other day.
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Speaker 1:Have you ever experienced a terrible wrist lock or had a bad wrist lock experience? I've had. I don't think I've been wrist locked like proper, but I've had my wrist attacked. I remember by another dude, by a dude in brazil when I was a blue belt training at um, that killer gym barbosa right in sao paulo, and there was a black belt that I trained with there who was just a wedge of a human and um, he passed my guard and was kind of in like a side control two sort of position and I was framing on his hip, oh, and he just did that heavy hip switch but he fucking hit it like he hit it so hard I my wrist almost blew out. I didn't have time to do anything. You know it taught me a lesson yeah, don't, don't put your hand there, but I was like, oh, he really hit that with malice, like he wanted to fuck me up. Yeah, um, I feel like it happened twice in the role, but the second time time I went more of a false grip to like avoid, but I was like cunt but noted, but, yeah, I mean these days, my, you know, I did a lot of work on the wrists, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so and I don't feel like people I haven't encountered someone in a role who's a good wrist locker, right, but usually if someone does have a go, I can usually cop it, you can muscle out. I'm like, no, I'm just like, because my wrist will flex or extend, but you're strong there too, right, exactly Like, I've got that mobility.
Speaker 1:I think for many people who do jiu-jitsu over the years, if, if you're a wrist locker and we roll, you have nothing to prove to me, I've, I just, you have stated that that was joey, I haven't rolled down the gauntlet, that's just. He's like fucking, eat your wrist lock, come at me, come at me. No, I'm never rolling again. No more open mats. Is that a challenge? Well, like, um, you know, because people have a cheap go at it, right, like, oh, like they got you. Oh, then you're like oh yeah, go on. Like I know you don't have a great position right now, I'll let you, I'll let you stretch me out a bit, give a crack. Yeah, stretch me out, baby.
Speaker 1:Well, actually, another disabling time I had wristlets was with, actually, bernardo faria, oh yeah, and this is like shout out, bernardo, I love bernardo. It was no malice in this at all, it was just I. It was my first long stay trip in Brazil, 2011. Maybe it was after the World Pro, back when the Abu Dhabi World Pro was the only comp where people got paid and Claudio Calazans, who was originally under Atos at that time, judoka, whatever was wristlocking everyone from Close Guard and I think he might have. I don't know if he beat Adolfo. He had beaten some high-level names with a wristlock from close guard and I think he might've. I don't know if he beat Adolfo. He had beaten some high level names with a wrist lock from close guard.
Speaker 1:So, the whole thing, fabio had said to everybody all right, we're going to be doing wrist locks from close guard, and I would just showed up like, oh, I don't know what's going on here. All right, whatever. And no one wanted to go with bernardo. I think bernardo had just fought and just competed at that comp and he just come he's a lovely guy, you know, I I kind of knew who he was like he just won the world championship the year before and then and he was like, oh, hey, man. And I was like, hey, you go with bernardo.
Speaker 1:And it was just drilling like for five minutes from close guard and I was like, and he wasn't going flat out, but he was just absolutely whacking him on, just chipping away. He wasn't doing it hard, but he also wasn't doing it softly. He was getting the tap but because of the position of being in close guard I couldn't actually tap. I had to just yelp in pain. Anyway, at the end of the five minutes he said okay, you go, it's your turn. It was like when you Wrist rock cooked, I had no power to be able to apply a wrist lock.
Speaker 1:But no, he's like go on, you can get me, man, go for it. And I was like I'm trying, bro, I just got the sloppy hands, bro. Man like, go for it. And I was like I'm trying, bro, I just got the sloppy hands, bro, it's like when you get, I don't know if you ever fall asleep on your arm and then your arm just goes completely like fucking limp and for days my wrist hurt. I couldn't effectively do much. So here's the thing wrist locks are effective, but I believe like, let's talk about like a gradient of injurious submissions. So if we look at an arm bar, most people can eat an arm bar because of your ability to move around right and people will typically tap sooner than ligaments are broken Generally, yeah, generally, I'm speaking very generally here. In the same way, with like a knee bar, regularly people will tap because of like the hamstring stretch and there's a lot of strong muscles supporting that, unless it's like a lateral knee bar, so people will tap before the actual injury occurs.
Speaker 1:But with a heel hook the reason why a heel hook is so devastating you feel no pain. There's no muscular tension. You feel tension in the joint if you know what's up and then, yeah, and then, but there's no like intense or extreme stretch sensation to let you know. Hey, you're at the very end of your threshold here. This is about to turn into like at least one, if not all, the major ligaments in your knee disintegrating.
Speaker 1:It's the beauty of rotational joint attacks, isn't it? Yeah, because, yeah, like if you well, I mean, if you attack the ankle in a straight fashion, that's a straight ankle lock and you can feel, oh fuck, this is really tight, yeah, right, even though a lot of people don't tap to it. Whereas, yeah, once you make it rotational with a heel hook, it's like you don't get that indicator, whereas, yeah, once you make it rotational with a heel hook, it's like you don't get that indicator. And I mean, obviously it travels up the leg Like it's going the torque's going to the knee. But even if you think about why foot locks have become more devastating with the ankle is people rotate. It's more like a figure four pressure. It's that lateral fucking twist where, like Aoki, is like also inside, inside. But people aren't just like trying to stretch the foot this way they are putting, they're rotating that shit. Yeah, and that's that's where the ligaments really suffer.
Speaker 1:I believe the reason why people uh, you know, I actually don't grudge, but I I have also grievously injured someone with a wrist lock, which I didn't intend to. But but what I'd say on that is because we do everything with our hands, right, everything in life. If you've your wrist is fucking sore. It doesn't matter if you're an office worker, a trades person, anything. You just go to pick up a cup and you're like, oh my, my wrist, you can't put weight on it. I believe that's why wrist locks are hated, because it's pain you can't hide from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just talking about, like the nature of the anatomy there too, like you think about an armbar, it's two really long levers, yeah, like the forearm is really long, yeah, and then the other side of the lever which you're controlling, which is generally the torso, is like huge. So you chuck your legs over that, fucking, squeeze your legs together and you grab the hold of this big lever and like you've got great control there as the attacker, yes, whereas the hand, like the actual hand to the fingers, like the backside of the puck, is so small so you don't really get on a wrist. And then, like I'm just going to hang out here on this wrist for a bit, like you do with, no, it's just heel hooks or arm bars. So that's, I think, the nature of, is, like you got to hit it hard and fast for it to work. Yeah, because people also will just, yeah, like if you don't hit it hard and fast, you're not controlling it. So they're just, oh shit, yes, so, so that in yeah means that, like, it becomes something that you have to apply speed and intensity to, yeah, whereas we all know, like you can apply intensity to entering the armbar, but then you can, you know you don't have to break Exactly, you don't have to reef that shit, I mean, unless you really want to. But so, yeah, so I can see where, like, I can see where it's problematic in that way, you've got to hit it quick, yeah, and I think this is the thing, because it does, you can do a wrist lock without great setup. You can also do it with very intricate amounts of setup. Like I was man, like I said I was in the treasure trove which is Reddit. People like people go, man, fuck wrist locks. And then people like, well, I have this intricate one where I wrap the wrist with my gi and I invert and I go like this, and breaks their wrist and their elbow. Oh, is that the one where they spin, spin, spin, where they grab, yeah, and you spin under the arm, spin under there. Oh, that's just fucked, but that's. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:The reason why I believe it's so polarizing is it's incredible, it is, but there's those who do it and those who have it done to them. It's rare to find someone who's in the middle. I think I'm kind of in the middle. I don't actively look for wrist locks no, I don't but I still can see that it's, it's, it's worthy, like it's valid.
Speaker 1:I see the, the split as being on different terms, which is there are cunts who just will apply something hard and fast and don't give a shit Right. And then there's people who don't want to hurt their training partners yeah, fair, and it's like, yeah, whatever it works, but I'm not trying to fuck anyone. And there's other people. It's like jiu-jitsu man, like it's what we do. We fuck people up. It's the gun mean, it's kill or be killed. So is that, is that the? Is that the split?
Speaker 1:Then those who cunts and not cunts, c-u-n-c-e. That's not how I was gonna say it, but you like I mean I can think of a couple of those people. You know those, those people that you know when you write they, they fucking hit submissions with an intensity and an aggressiveness you You're like I got to fucking, I really got to, I really got to be switched on when I roll with that cat. There's those people. And then there's the people that you're like oh no, I know that sounds so-and-so's chill, but like still a tough role.
Speaker 1:But could you not say that there's times in your life when you are more that and not that? Yeah, that, yeah, you switch. You're not born, remember your? Remember Joey, natural, you're the one who did the jump guillotine in your first two lessons, right? So, even though you're retired, yeah, you found the family life. That guy's still going to come, you'll. You'll be there fixing the lawnmower, doing whatever. And then some random stranger walks up your driveway and he just says Joe Worthington, oh, you want some more? Huh, no, it's fucking Kill Bill-esque. But that wasn't bad intentions, that was just a shit train because I did a silly thing, I know.
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Speaker 1:It doesn't matter your intention. Your intention was I got to submit this guy. You didn't know the repercussions, right, you didn't know what you didn't know. Well, yeah, I was just doing the moves that I've been taught to do the last lesson. Yeah, because you thought that was right. Right, and what I think is yes, we have the capacity to Kill enough people and then go. I'm going to retire from this assassin game and I think we can all agree that there's certain people you roll with that will bring out certain aspects of your position on that spectrum more so than another. There's people I roll with. I'm like I don't like who I become when I roll with that person. There's people I fucking really like rolling with Sansa because it's good, I don't go into the fucking dark places.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man and I think that is the challenge is just because it's allowed or it fits within the rules, does that mean that's good enough reason to do it? You know what I mean. Like you're allowed to do it, but should you? You know, it's like was it Gianni Grippo who just hit that standing heel hook? Yeah, cause the guy's leg was there. Yeah, leg was dangling and he just reefed that thing Right and and a lot of people were spewing about that it was a cunt move, but it this is the name of the game and you're a fucking black belt.
Speaker 1:It's like, you know, I would have hated to have been on the receiving end of that, but you're like that's the terms that are agreed to here, and so in that way, I'm like wrist locks have a place and you know, I could imagine someone out there that's like a master of wrist locks, who loves the intricacy of them and loves getting you like, luring you into a trap where they can apply it without having to hurt you. Yeah, I'm sure that's possible, like when you roll with when I've rolled with like Jeremy Paul Skinner or something, yeah and he just starts attacking your legs and you're like oh God, oh God. And then eventually he gets to a point where he looks at you and he's like it's checkmate and you know, right, yeah. And so you're like he didn't have to hurt me. Yeah, right, he just, he just. Yeah, it was really technical and we got to this pointy end of the pyramid and now I'm not going anywhere, or the funnel is a better way to put it. So. So, yeah, I think that it's it's. It's in a really responsible and sort of safe way. It's the people who throw that shit on opportunistically in training that, I would say, are the true cunts of the game.
Speaker 1:But I would say, do you not become a master of wrist locks without starting out as a complete cunt? Maybe you've got to go through that fire. Maybe you've got to be John Wick. To make that omelette you've got to break a few eggs. But that's the thing. I just want to be John Wick. To make that omelette you've got to break a few eggs. But that's the thing. I just want to reflect on this.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about assassin movies. You know, natural transition, go ahead. Hey, who doesn't love a good assassin movie? But I was just thinking about like John Wick. Right, the context of John Wick is they cut you know, he's a retired assassin. They come, they kill his missus. They also then kill the dog, which is like the grounds for like no one actually remembers that the wife got killed.
Speaker 1:It's all about the dog. Yeah, there, you kill like a puppy. Yeah, right, and so it's, it's. It's funny. You always see this relationship between him and having a dog. Like, that's the man and his dog, you know, and that the fact that dog could be threatened means a thousand men must die. Yeah, you know, like that's. But what's interesting is it seems proportionate. Yeah, everybody forgets. Like.
Speaker 1:This guy's a trained killer from the Russian mafia or wherever he was, you know the Romani family, whatever. He's from the Gypsy Romani. He's killed hundreds of men Like. He deserves to die as much as anyone deserves to die Like. But it's funny that he's the protagonist, don't get me wrong. He's the hero, yeah, but you're like he's a bad man.
Speaker 1:He comes in, he murders everyone. But I'm reluctant, but you'd still kill everyone, like that's, you didn't want to. You forced his hand, yeah, well, I just that how it is, yeah, and I I just wonder, if you're can, can we have wrist locks without having cunts? Do you know what I mean? Like it's like you know this is society. Uh, you know, can? Can wrist locks be done responsibly?
Speaker 1:Joe, I absolutely think they can. Okay, absolutely. I mean, you know, I'm thinking of like, um, probably not from standing, I'm fucking standing ones, all the standing ones. Yeah, because you've got no control. Right, it has to be. It's just like, yeah, grip and go. But, like you know, you've got someone in side control, or you've got someone in the north-south of some kind, and you start, particularly in the gi, you start closing up space and catching an arm in there. Yeah, you know it's there All. No, I'm in there. Yeah, you know it's there All right. Well, there it is, folks, wrist locks the best locks or the worst locks, it is up to you. Sound out in the comments. We appreciate your input on these things and, while you're there, give us a like, give us a subscribe. We appreciate y'all. Bye, bye, bye you.
