Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Discussions on improving your BJJ, navigating mat-politics and all aspects of the jiu jitsu lifestyle. Multiple weekly episodes for grapplers of any level. Hosted by JT and Joey - Australian jiu jitsu black belts, strength coaches, and creators of Bulletproof For BJJ App. Based out of Sydney, Australia
Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
How Jiu Jitsu Holds Up In Real Fights
Many of us daydream of getting to use our jiu jitsu in a real life scenario. But what if it does not go how you planned? You truly do not know what anyone is capable of. We challenge the romanticized notion of jiu-jitsu in self-defense by discussing the stark reality of facing armed opponents. Our conversation reflects on how training may not actually help you in the streets.
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Hey, you've probably had some daydreams about how your jujitsu would be fucking sick when you find yourself in an altercation on the street, and there's little moments I've had the same sort of fantasy. But let me tell you, have you actually considered what of your jujitsu would work against someone that's got a knife, or someone that's got a gun and is prepared to use it? It's a whole different game, let me tell you, and recently I've been working with someone whose job necessitates them to get into altercations with people and also to handle a firearm. So today we explore this. Another thing in this episode that you're going to love is I introduce you to a particular fight team that I've been following on Instagram, who train outdoors, on gravel and with firearms, and let me tell you, it changes the whole emphasis of the jujitsu and it makes a fight that looks very different from what you might have thought a street fight is going to look like.
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Speaker 1:Something fascinating that I've been exploring in recent weeks I thought about quite a lot over the years, but recent weeks been exploring this with jujitsu is how the game changes when there's a firearm involved Ooh, specifically a pistol. Ooh, the blicky, yep. And this came about because I've got a mate of mine who's a copper, okay, who I've started training with some basic jiu-jitsu, okay, and he's got some shit, he's handy, but he's like I just want to know some more shit, sure, and I want to sort of you know, practice it a bit regularly, shit, sure, and I want to sort of you know, practice it a bit regularly, and um, and so we're working through basic stuff, right, and it's really interesting because I teach him the thing and you know, this is great, and then we sort of review it, like, as you, as you're going through it. I'm thinking how would this change, though, if the person, if my opponent, could bite, oh yeah. Or if there was a weapon involved, yeah. And so he's like, look man, most of the positions, I'm just thinking about how I can get to a point of control and then get to my, get to my weapon, right, and I'm like, damn, that's a different game. It's a different, different game, bro. Hand control, yes, yeah, maybe some wrist locks, fucking wrist lock action, bro. It's really cool though, because it really does kind of strip away. I don't know, it doesn't change a lot of the fundamentals, at least in my superficial view, but it's a different objective, right, it is. It's not. Oh, I've just got a pass guard or I've got. There's a very real threat, which is a firearm, yeah, and whoever gets it, like, even if you have it first, if your opponent wrestles it off you, it's game over. Yeah, that's right, it's going to be a bad day, bro.
Speaker 1:So there's this group that I showed them to you before on Instagram, which, for those listening, check them out. What is the name? Sharneskiteam, I think Sharneski, just in your Instagram, sharneski team or Sharneski fight team CH, and it's a Brazilian guy. I think he's like a Special Forces or Boppy kind of guy For the less initiated. If you haven't seen the film Elite Squad, go watch that shit, you'll understand who Boppy is.
Speaker 1:Elite team, yeah, um, but so the what he does is he posts a bunch of clips of him training with his, I guess, his soldiers or his, you know, officers or whatever, and they got like and I'm telling you watched it before but they're wearing their jeans or tactical pants, boots, fucking T-shirt, they've got a belt on and shit, so they're wearing kind of stiff clothing in that sense. And then it's like and they're on gravel or dirt, so they're not on mats, they're always outdoors and what they often do is takes a, take a pistol dude. One dude puts the pistol in his, in his, uh, in his jeans, and then the other, the opponent, gets one hand on the pistol as if he's taking it, and then this guy gets to go, one hand on his hand, yeah, and then it's like start, right, and it's this, it's a, it's a fight, right, they're using, they're using strikes and they're using jujitsu, but the whole goal is to get the firearm and then shoot the other guy. Now, there's no bullets in the gun, he doesn't just pull the trigger and blow the guy's cock off. That's right. Yeah, I won, cunt, I won sir.
Speaker 1:But it's really fascinating, isn't it? Because the game changes from because, you'll see, one guy has the grip, the other guy has the grip on him. The dude that has the grip just zeroes in on I got to get this gun. Yeah, the other guy starts like he's got one hand on that, but he's like wrestling that other dude, hitting him, taking him down, trying to knee him. But the other guy is just like I'm just going to eat whatever you've got in the hope that I can pull this gun and fucking. Yeah, blast, right, and it's a totally different set of parameters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's just super fascinating to watch. Um, I really like it because it, because you know whatever you see the positions in there, there's close guard moments, there's, you know, there's head control and all sorts of stuff. But again, it it's all like get to the firearm. Yeah, especially like having a look at it. The guy is eating punches, knees yeah, like just eating. He's taking a beating because he knows if he gets the gun, that's a checkmate. All of it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the submission, and I think this is really relevant, like I actually, when we were talking before I, really relevant, like I. I actually, when we were talking before I was saying that you know, looking at um, just like kind of a sidestep, a little um, medieval mma, which you guys, if you're not onto that, just google that shit. It's pretty intense, like they don't go to the ground and shit do they, yeah, but it's usually over because dude will be like stab, stab, stab, yeah, or fucking axe, yeah, axe in the head. Or dude is just whapping dude in the head with the sword and you're like his head is bouncing around in a steel fucking container. Don't worry about cte, this guy's head's getting mashed.
Speaker 1:What is interesting about that style of mma or the grappling that occurs when they have these big weapons, is much more judo it, it looks a lot more like judo. You've seen dudes do big hip throws because dudes swing in a sword and that makes room for the shoulder throw. Or dudes thrust the spear and you sidestep and then hip toss a cat. You know it's not small nuanced moves, it's big power moves to get someone on their back so you can basically fucking kill them and they're pretty, I mean, once you put someone in that sort of armor on their back. They're like a cockroach, a bit Like it's hard to. They're not wrestling up real quick, no, they're not just kipping up like Bruce Lee. Yeah, no, there's no wrestle up about it. Is that the weapon and uh, not rule set? But it's like it's interesting that the armor and the weaponry sets the terms and the conditions for the style of grappling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so if we look at your case, joe, where we're talking about dudes in regular street clothes, more or less with a fucking pistol, which is kind of what, what you that then changes what that grappling looks like. For sure, yeah, there's something sort of. It's like gross motor patterns with the armor, isn't it Because you kind of move like a Lego man? Yeah, vision movement. Have you ever heard that? You know, that's where a lot of the early jiu-jitsu judo kind of is said to have come from. Was because when, when some, like when soldiers were fighting ancient japan, they wore that kind of yeah, is it bamboo armor or they're a bit restricted, bit of leather, yeah, so so joint like joint locks and throws and stuff were more effective, yes, versus like a blow like you can't, you're not going to hit something, it doesn't hurt because they've got a fucking mask on and potentially body, but there's articulation at the elbows and the shoulders so you can attack those joints.
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Speaker 1:And I believe that the reason why stand-up and why judo was so much more apart and I'm sure if you're out there for all my history hardcore nerds you'll correct me, but stay with me me being able to put someone on their back was key, because then you could basically just zap and move on yep, like you just, or someone else could, someone's you. I put this guy down, yeah, they're coming through, they'll stab and I can take the next guy down and we just roll through. Yeah and uh, yeah, and so the game was kind of over. If you put someone on their back, yeah, but yeah, watching these clips, guys, it's phenomenal, because you're like why is that guy just why is he not doing anything? Yeah, he's turtled up, yeah, and he's eating shit. The guy's giving him the GSP fucking knee to the face, knee to the ribs, while he's in turtle. Yeah, you're like, oh, that's so brutal. But then you're like, oh wait, yeah, because he's got the fucking. He's got his hand on one hand on the gun, yeah. Yeah, steve maxwell, actually when I did his um grace yourself defense seminar, talked a lot about it's really important for you to.
Speaker 1:When you're pummeling with somebody, you have to pummel to the side. That allows you to control where the gun's holstered, right, like that's, that's what you're thinking, because if you can like take their gun away from them, then you can like stab them in the throat or like he was talking about the context of like, say, a military operation where you couldn't have noise, yeah, which means knives, yeah, and he's like you go in there, you can't have them fire their gun either. So if you have to like grapple someone, you have to immediately take their gun away from them, have it not go off. You can't use it. You've got to kind of disarm them and then silence them.
Speaker 1:My favorite move in that scenario when I found myself there, is when you are behind and do the neck break. Ah, you just twist it like only about 15 degrees. Oh, wow, it's just a certain speed and fucking coordination and they die instantly. Wow, amazing. I learned that from Van Damme. There you go. Yeah, well, man, we should probably get him on the podcast. I think I should send an email to Steve Maxwell Just let him know. Hey, man, just to update him. Yeah, bro, hey, look, just so you know, save some time. Hit them with the dim mark it's all over, just in the back, makes their heart explode out the front. But no, I do believe that.
Speaker 1:You know, we've talked about it, part of the reason why the UFC and also combat jiu-jitsu is getting so popular. As soon as you add in even just palm strikes or like fists, the nature of the grappling changes. Yeah, because you can't just have two hands on something and be safe. Yeah, and it's amazing how that then changes your perception of grappling for actual, real violence, straight defense. Yeah, it's pretty brutal, but it's amazing and I mean mean. You know there's obviously like there's clear gaps in that right, like say what, like with the, the guy that, the brazilian guy that I watch on instagram. Or like say what I've been looking at with my mate. It all changes if there's multiple attacks. Oh yeah, one-on-one is one thing, but, yeah, yeah, you know, um, I'm sure I mentioned it in the past, but there's that.
Speaker 1:You know, frank Grillo did that show where he goes and trains different martial arts around the world. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, he's a fit guy and he did that one. He did one in Israel, wow, and he, it's fucking cool. He talks to, he spends time with two guys. One guy is like a Krav Maga kind of knife specialist and they just, he just talks about knife fighting. Yeah, and he's like first thing is like in a knife fight, like nobody wins, you're both dead, like it's it's terrible, but he's like. But here's what we can do to try to be the guy that walks away.
Speaker 1:But he talks to this other guy who's just a fucking savage, and the other guys like, talking about his mentality of the whole exchange is, is buying time, even when he's got a gun pulled on him, or he's like the whole thing is to buy time to get to my firearm, shoot you in the head, yeah, and he's like and the, the intensity that this guy's fucking delivering his, you're like, oh my god, this kind is an animal. Yes, you know, and you can see it's been drilled into him like he's a fucking savage, but but it's just that it's like wow, like, yeah, it's a completely different game. So this is this kind of makes you reflect on and hopefully you know, for you listening, like you know, when we're like I do, ju, yeah, you got some shit, but don't get it twisted. You are not a self-defense specialist. You're against the broccoli head vape guy at the gym who wants to fucking kick you off the bench press. Sure, yeah, you got this. You're going to be pretty good, but not an ex-military, you know, grizzled, not even potentially some junkie that's been living on the streets for 10 years that scraps every other week yeah, you know, that has more experience like just fighting on the pavement, maybe he's, and using trolley poles and fucking broken bottles, yeah, but maybe also that guy was like a, a dishonorable discharge from the army and was like junkie scum. Well, they go to streets and kick ass. Well, no, maybe they kicked him out of the military because he murdered the weapons officer or something. You don't. You just can't know. You know and it's. I mean, this is the thing. This is why it's always better to.
Speaker 1:My cousin's son, who's a young man, said it to me at a family thing the other day. He's like, oh, but fuck, you'd like, how about you man? Like you'd be so confident, right, like just if you got into anything on the street. And I was like bro. I was like, nah, like I've never, I've never once, practiced street fighting. You know, I'm like I go to jujitsu like soft mats, rules round starts, we bow. You know I'm rules round starts, we bow. You know I'm like, yeah, like whatever it prepares you to some degree, but I'm like it's not. It shouldn't be confused with like actually being adept at like. And he was like, oh fuck, he just never thought about that, right, um, and many of us haven't. But yeah, it's a, it's a. It is a fascinating thing to reflect on about jujitsu and and some of the potentials of it. Um, there it is, hey guys, hope you enjoyed. Do us a favor, like, subscribe, share the episode with a friend, get the word out there. We appreciate you, peace.
