QNA: Talking While Rolling, When Am I Getting Promoted, New Generation Of Grapplers Making BJJ Unfair

Do you talk during rolls? Maybe it's time you stop... We also go over the rules on IBJJF belt restrictions and how it tends to not really matter anymore. Lastly, is the new generation of grapplers getting too good? Are they coming into the hobbyist's world and wrecking shop. That may just be how the cookie crumbles...

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Chapters

• 0:00 Setting the Scene for Jiu
• 10:00 Handling Talking During Rolls: Tips and Techniques
• 30:00 The Impact of Age and Experience in Competition

Transcript

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Speaker 3: 0:52

Hey guys, I was rolling the other day nogi, I'm a geek guy, but I just want to test the waters and see how I do it nogi, why not? And I was rolling with this guy and he's quite crafty and he got me three times with this shallow guillotine choke and, um, it was really cool and sneaky. I couldn't defend it when I was going for an over underpass and after that he was just kind of talking incessantly in the role and I was like, mate, what are you doing? Just stop talking. He was like, oh, come on, man, you can do it. One minute ago, my god, come on man, as if he broke me or something. I'm like, mate, let's just roll and quit talking. So my question is how do you deal with people who talk while you're rolling? And, yeah, how do you deal with that? Personally, for me I think it's kind of undermining, unless you're really good friends with the person.

Speaker 2: 1:47

I just think it should be abolished. Cheers bye. Damn, yeah, it's a, yeah, very fair point. Yeah, I mean, look, josh hing has talked about this. He's a very strict, no talking while rolling guy. Even if they're your friend, right, once you shake hands it's like we're rolling. Yeah, not even like jokes or like this. Uh, I think the way josh had framed it is you're being a bad training partner when you do that, because it's distracting and so, even if you're better, it's very condescending to try and like encourage someone or like even you know, it's like it's kind of gross.

Speaker 2: 2:15

I would say, smother, just put your fingers in their mouth, just like. Like you want somebody just to, or just tell them to shut the fuck up. I mean that might be considered disrespectful Terms. Like you want somebody just or just tell them shut the fuck up. I mean that might be considered disrespectful terms and conditions. Uh, look, if you don't know the person, maybe it's tough in the heat of the role, right, because this guy thinks he's better than you or whatever the deal. But you can just say hey, man, let's just roll and really tell them in no uncertain terms I'm not here for the chat, I'm here to bang, you know and then just let them know, and I think there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2: 2:47

I think the problem in jujitsu is we struggle to set the terms and conditions, you know, and that, that, yeah, I I wouldn't be cool with it either. I mean I do it as a troll move, I'm like, but only friends, like I wouldn't if I don't know you. There's no way. I'm just setting up a little chat and I usually tend to do it. Someone's fucking me up, you're trying to distract I'm like oh bro, that was brutal.

Speaker 2: 3:15

But you're fucking knocking. You know you're not gonna get me whatever. I'm like, yeah, I just start talking some shit, I agree, and it's very undermining. Um, I, I think that scenario like it sounds like you told the guy hey man, let's just roll. So you tried to tell him dude, cut it out. And sounds like he wasn't particularly like hearing that. So, I don't know, probably a bit of a dick. I would just make it clear like, hey man, like I'm really happy to chat, but let's do it after the roll, you know.

Speaker 3: 3:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:47

Or just be like I'm not happy to chat ever. That's right. It's a gym rivalry potentially. Uh, you know I'm I'm envisaging andy after from what you've said is that he's put that submission on. He's hit you with it three times but he's super gassed, he's burned his arms out.

Speaker 2: 3:59

He might be and he's like I don't think I can stop your pass attempt the fourth time maybe not, and we know people do this right, they give everything to a particular defense or attack or something, and then they're cooked and they're done, yeah. And so then he's like, well, how do I change the the nature of the game now? But I think also him talking also it's almost like he's not taking it seriously, like yeah, like it doesn't matter what happens now, because I got my wins, I win yeah, and it fucking about.

Speaker 2: 4:23

It's the same kind of dick move as like when you roll someone well and they're like hey man, I just got some tips for you. You know that thing you were trying, look, let me school you up. It's just like, bro, I didn't ask you to be my coach, like just let's roll STFU. Appreciate it, thank you man.

Speaker 2: 4:41

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Speaker 4: 7:00

Hi, what's up guys. I'm a huge fan. I'm calling from Sweden. My name is Ossi. I'm calling from Sweden. I'm a blue belt. I've been training for like almost two years. I'm a four-stripe blue belt and I just want to ask you guys, I've been training no nogi for like almost eight years but I've never been graded, uh, with any belts my in my bj club. So my, my question is like I have the experience, you know, with grappling and jiu-jitsu stuff like that, and I had the discussion with my coach about like, am I like soon near purple belt or and the thing is like my coach says you're actually a purple belt but I can't grade you because of the IBDTF, like two years.

Speaker 4: 8:05

Yes, yes, it's like a minimum to be a blue belt for two years. Yeah, you can be graded to purple belt and my question is like would I just wait until I get graded to purple belt or do I like switch club? And I really like my coach and I have a huge respect for him and his real experience.

Speaker 2: 8:30

Okay, ossie.

Speaker 4: 8:31

Yeah, from Sweden. What is that background?

Speaker 2: 8:34

track Might be the first one. Yeah, it sounds like he's on the elliptical. It sounds like there's some cardio going on. Oh you go, oh well. So it's really simple. This question has kind of come up before. Oh you go, oh well. So it's really simple. This question has kind of come up before. I think it is difficult to find a great coach who you love and respect. So if you find that person and you trust them, then that is the most important thing. The IBJJF belts thing, look, unless you really want to go down that path and compete in those competitions, then it's relevant. It used to be the only show in town. It isn't now. So if I'm right, in that message he's saying he's trained jiu-jitsu for two years but trained nogi for eight. I heard eight. Yeah, wow, so that I mean you. I see you're probably a fucking stone cold killer. Yeah, right. And if you love no gi, then I would say that the ibjjf doesn't matter. But if you value the relationship with your coach, then just go in no gi comps, wreck people and then just keep chipping away at the gi, like yeah, you know, if that's what your coach values, then accept that yeah

Speaker 2: 9:38

yeah, smash in the meantime and you're not gonna get worse. I, I guess that's what I'd say like you, there's no fear of your jujitsu going down. Yeah, it's just, you're not gonna get worse. I, I guess that's what I'd say. Like you, there's no fear of your jujitsu going down. Yeah, it's just, you're gonna be a nightmare. All these poor blue belts are just like fucking aussie man. He's killing me. Yeah, yeah, I agree, I wouldn't, um, I definitely wouldn't be changing teams, not if you like your coach. You know, um, my coach asked me the same question when he was planning to grade me to black belt and he said dude, I'd been in brown belt for, I think, five years by this point. But he was like but your brown belt was never registered with IBJJF, so they know you as a purple belt.

Speaker 4: 10:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:20

So he said so, if we want to do it with the ibjjf, like permission, we would register your brown belt now and then in 12 months or two years you can get your black belt. He said, or if you don't care about it, I'll just give it to you sooner because I think you're ready. But I just want to give you that option. And I was like he's like, look, if you're not really sure, you might as well just wait and get it, you know, so that you've got all bases covered. And I was like, yeah, that makes sense to me, you know. Um. So so in that regard, like, yeah, it also, I guess it depends on how quick you feel the need to move up, but I don't think you should be in a rush.

Speaker 2: 11:00

I think, it's a great opportunity to just tear it up in some comps and, I don't know, it sounds like it's within a year away. Yeah, yeah, skills are skills, man. It sounds like you've got those skills and if you've got a good relationship with your coach, that's probably more important than any of the other extraneous facts.

Speaker 4: 11:17

Yeah 100.

Speaker 2: 11:19

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Speaker 1: 12:13

My name is Nicholas, I'm a long time listener from Mexico and I love your show. My question is what are your thoughts on the following situation? So in Jiu Jitsu we have people that start training when they're very young, but you can get your blue belt as early as 16. So sometimes when they turn 16 and they get their blue belt, they have over four or five, even six years of experience and they get put in the same lane competitively as older guys maybe guys in their 20s, if you're not doing masters that have been only training jiu-jitsu a couple of years, maybe two or three. They got their blue belt and now competitively they're on the same lane as these kids that have so much more experience. Why isn't this addressed in jujitsu competitions or in jujitsu communities and maybe thoughts on things we could do to change it? Thanks for the attention, guys.

Speaker 2: 13:10

Nicholas legend. Good people of Mexico. Yeah, shout out. Look man. I just think that's the game. If you're going to roll Cade Rotolo, it's Cade Rotolo. You don't have an option, bro. I don't know if every factor can be accounted for in providing an even playing field in competition. I think it's understandable, right, that it can be a shock if you've only trained for two years or three years and then suddenly you've got someone who's trained for eight, and they're a phenom, and they're 17. They're Kainoa. I look at Kainoa at downstairs and I'm just like God you'd hate to come up against him in a comp. He's elite. His dad's a black belt, the kid's raised on jiu-jitsu. He's full-time?

Speaker 3: 13:58

Yeah, and he's just entered that old division.

Speaker 2: 14:01

He comes here, he lifts weights like the kid is. I think he got silver at Worlds in the junior category. Like, yeah, you are going to maybe face that kid. Understand this In judo there are no belts, there's only weight categories. So you don't compete relevant to your belt, no, you have to bang with black belts. It doesn't matter what standard you're at, you want to compete, compete against black belts. Imagine that. Yeah, that's not fucking fair, is it.

Speaker 2: 14:29

That's a real shift that's the fucking standard you want to go, because some clubs will grade you on your ability to beat higher belts well, so you got to fucking do and I actually I won a couple comps as a fucking like yellow belt. It wasn't because I was so great at judo, but I was a seasoned competitor in jiu-jitsu, so it wasn't like I was a total rookie and plus I know a few little awkward things to mess up traditional judo guys. But that's the thing. You just have to accept the terms and conditions and I it sounds unfair, bro. So I hear you, but I don't think the game's getting any easier.

Speaker 2: 15:02

You know, the world champions are no longer 30 years old or 27, they're 19. Yeah, you know, we're seeing it. The it's, the champions are getting younger and younger and they are then going to dominate the sport for the next 10 years. There's kids who are trained jiu-jitsu now and they're three years old and I just believe that it's become more competitive, because that's the evolution of the sport. In the same way, if you want to get into football or Olympic lifting or anything, you've got to start when you're a kid, otherwise you're not going to be the champ. You can still be great at jiu-jitsu, but you're not going to be the champ. Yeah, I fully agree. You know you could make this. You could make a similar kind of argument for um like, uh, like, say, someone who just got their black belt and they're in their late 30s and they're like I'm gonna go do the masters two division and then shanji hibura rocks up Most medallion competitor of all time, and we've probably seen his videos lately.

Speaker 2: 15:59

He's jumped back into competition.

Speaker 4: 16:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:01

And he just submits everyone and wins everything yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:04

And you're like, yeah, that's unfair, but that's just what it is. And in the same way that we've got this new generation of young grapplers coming up into the adult division, we've got this new generation of young grapplers coming up into the adult division, we've got this new generation of slightly older grapplers coming up into the masters and on those categories, yeah and it's, it is. It's just the elevation of the standard. And, um, it's tough when you're, when you're aware we are in this time and you were.

Speaker 2: 16:30

You were used to a time when you might show up to a comp and maybe it was just like pretty good, yeah, used to a time when you might show up to a comp and maybe it was just like Pretty good, yeah, everyone was about your age and probably trained about the same amount of time. It's different now. It is different now and I don't think that means jujitsu can't be fun or it can't be good, but you just need to know that you're going to have to move to Alaska and compete in the Alaska Nationals. Like, no, it's just, you get some hardcore cunt. That's just grown up fucking within the Arctic Circle and just grappled polar bears and shit Exactly Like

Speaker 2: 17:01

there's this guy who trains at Los Benditos that Cap was talking about, yeah, and he's like the guy's a bear. He bullies everyone. I forget his name, Vusalata or whatever his name is he's like, he's I think he's a Romanian, but he's judo black belt, was like a four time wrestling national champion and everyone at that gym they're all big, they're all strong, they all say he's the strongest guy they've ever rolled. Yeah, and I said I take that bet. I was like I'm training for that guy. I just see him. You see clips of him. Everyone in that gym Owen Farris, all of them. He bashes them all. And who's this guy? He's just some hardened guy who's been grappling his entire life and he will embarrass you, and so this is the humbling nature of jiu-jitsu. There's monsters out there and I don't think any change to the structure of jiu-jitsu will make that better or worse. No, and I don't think any change to the structure of jiu-jitsu will make that better or worse. No, and I don't think it's necessary.

Speaker 4: 17:59

It's necessary yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:02

The other flip on that is if, like that person who has come in at a young age into your division, have more experience training jiu-jitsu, but they've been a kid for most of their life, whereas I'm not sure how old you are, but let's say you've been an adult for most of your life, so you've had more years of being bigger and stronger and you could have used those years in the gym right. You could have become fucking like physically elite and whatnot. Whether you have or you haven't, I'm saying that you have a great advantage there in a certain depending on how you look at it too yeah

Speaker 2: 18:38

and so sometimes it's just why the the fucking cookie crumbles. Well, dude you, you're older. You've had more loss, more sorrow. There's a reason why old men and old women are fucking strong. They've been through some shit, so I don't think being older is a disadvantage. You just got to use your advantages against them. Good question, though. Nicholas, appreciate you asking, and everyone, ossie and Andy, good ones today. Guys, if you want to leave us a voicemail, please do it. If you've got something you want to ask jujitsu, politics, the journey, strength, conditioning, whatever go to bulletproofforbjjcom. Hit the podcast tab, big red button, record us a voicemail and we'll feature your question on an upcoming episode. Choo-choo.