Bulletproof For BJJ Podcast
Discussions on improving your BJJ, navigating mat-politics and all aspects of the jiu jitsu lifestyle. Multiple weekly episodes for grapplers of any level. Hosted by JT and Joey - Australian jiu jitsu black belts, strength coaches, and creators of Bulletproof For BJJ App. Based out of Sydney, Australia
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Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for Bijou podcast. We are blessed to have the presence of our good friend, Mr Will Ghetto, otherwise known as AKA, will Budgie, aka many aliases and, yeah, stoked to have Will on here, and he just mentioned something before, which is an unusual fact. What's that? He had actually never met us in person together, never. He had met us individually. And yeah, man, it's a phenomenon, it's huge huge, honestly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, two heads in the same room, same time crazy the sum is greater than the total of its parts, or some shit. Is that what they say?
Speaker 2:something like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm a sitcom basically will buzzy you know funny story before we uh get cooking on what we came to talk about today that uh. So my insta handle has been mispronounced so many times. It's just supposed to be wilbur g right because will grant right. Um, but I was doing a podcast with one of the movement guys from melbourne feyon and he opened it up with will baggy, which is kind of stuck all about your attire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn't back it yeah, it was more like I was selling some stuff on the corner of a street, but it was like it attracted some unneeded attention. But yeah, I like buzzy it could be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like that too. Yeah, it has a bit of a comes out feel to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, exactly like I've definitely wrestled in dagger stuff before but, uh, the main thing we're going to talk about today, folks, is the, the jujitsu getaway, the jujitsu getaway, the jujitsu camp and what this does for people, because I've experienced similar experiences with a jujitsu camp for a tournament and the training and everything. But let's talk a little bit about your experience, because you are a gym owner but you've also run events before, so tell us about that, will.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so essentially, the event that we're cooking up at the moment is called Fight and Flow. The idea has stemmed off what we're already running currently Gains in the Ghetto. So Gains is a training intensive that we do. We've done weekend versions and internationals overseas for a week or so. The idea is that you get together, you have your expert coaches. They run through workshop style things over the weekend. There's a lot of training, a lot of learning and, um, just being around people that are training at that level too, obviously, um, and so I've been thinking the last little while, like I love jiu-jitsu. I've been training it for, you know, best part of half a decade now, plus um I notice you've got the purple stripe on your tracksuit pants.
Speaker 3:Everything I own now has a shade of purple. Purple beanie, very nice Congrats, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2:In case anyone watching at home, I'm a purple belt now.
Speaker 3:No big deal, guys. I don't care about the belts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not a system guy, but it is nice it's framed on my wall. But yeah, framed on my wall, um, but yeah. So I've been like a lot of the the chat around the gym, right, is people's bodies not keeping up, and like there's more gen pop athletes and there are athletes that want to compete regularly and do well in that sense, and so we've been trying to figure out how we put together an event that obviously speaks to both people, and Fight and Flow is kind of that event. So we're looking at setting up a weekend where we are setting up a weekend where there's, you know, up to six hours on the mat today and then we're going to integrate some breath work, some mobility training and some strength training and tie that all together so people can learn how to look after their body better, to be on the mats more, and that's the biggest thing, right, like it's not necessarily going to be like a fight camp where it's, you know, we're honing in on specific things to target on specific people.
Speaker 2:It's more broadening people's base knowledge of all matters that come into combat fighting, in this particular case, jiu-jitsu, yeah, and making sure their body's mobile enough, making sure their recovery is good enough, making sure they can breathe through a whole round without getting tanked, and then adding in that additional strength training that's going to help you combat another human body. So that's basically the nuts and bolts of the event is it's a training intensive. We go away, away. We've got black belts coming in to teach. We've got black belts in movement that are going to come in and teach, um, strength mobility. I'll be running a little bit of breath stuff because I kind of fall like purple belt around all of those demographics, sure, um, but yeah, it's. It's basically tying it all in having a really big weekend of training and recovery and making sure that people can broaden their knowledge on how they can look after themselves better, to stay on the mats longer Nice, and so Joe yourself, you.
Speaker 1:I remember a long time ago actually seeing some clips of you doing a man man intensive, with some beautiful photos of some training, some outdoor training, like on a dock.
Speaker 3:Of the dudes squatting each other.
Speaker 1:Dude it was. I felt like I felt like Inspiring. I felt hair stand up on the back of outdoor training like on a dock. Oh, the dudes squatting each other Dude it was. I felt like I felt like Inspiring. I felt hairs stand up on the back of my hand like that's testosterone right there. Yeah, that was that's man training, that was pretty epic.
Speaker 3:That actual clip you're talking about wasn't. That was a business thing, oh okay, it was like with our business coach. And he's like Joey, can you run the workout on one of the mornings?
Speaker 1:But it was kind of part of a camp or a retreat or something.
Speaker 3:Well it was a retreat for all the guys in the business, but they're all gym owners, oh right, and so then you know, so it kind of looked. It was like you know, they're all like CrossFit gym owners, so it was a bunch of elite humans, fit people, and then it was like one of the sickest workouts I've ever run. I was like five minute amrap as many repetitions of a partner squat as you can accumulate, so you go, as many as you can then swap, and what the the squat was fine is actually when you got to be on someone's shoulders yeah, because their shoulders are pushing into you. Yeah, it really like it cooked some elite units and I was like we're onto something here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're onto something there. I think you ran that at the event. We did as well the man up event in the Southern Highlands. We did that, didn't we? Yeah, we did the carry and squats.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I had to be like hey, if you don't want to do the squats, because not everyone.
Speaker 2:It wasn't as physical.
Speaker 3:You don't want to buckle a fucking ACL or some shit. No, but yeah, will and I have run a couple of events together, four men specifically Right and incorporating all of the bits right, grappling and strength and breath work.
Speaker 1:I think there's a huge value to the intensive aspect, like the kind of deep dive of it. Because I mean, we've talked before about how doing a jiu-jitsu seminar like where you spend two hours with a world champion, them showing you their game, doesn't necessarily translate. But the cool thing which happens with whether it be like the JB's camp like I remember that was like when I came to the island and did that like it's the conversations around the training, that like it's the conversations around the training, like yes, the training is awesome and you learn a bunch, but then you spend time and you're like, wow, I've got a lot in common with this other person who you know lives on the other side of the map, and now we're kind of jamming out and we're sharing problems and then that feeds into the next session and there's this beautiful continuation when you do more than just one session or one day that by the end of it you've created these, like these bonds. Yeah, the group is a vibe, yeah.
Speaker 2:To the energy and it just makes the learning better too. Like we find a lot that you know no one's going to get their first one arm handstand on a games in the ghetto event Right Like very rarely. But what someone can get is, like the fundamentals of what they are missing with the online training or being the only person in their gym that's doing it and stuff like that. So the aim for Fight Flow is You're not going to learn the greatest takedown technique or the greatest leg lock entanglement ever this weekend, but what you will learn are the fundamentals that lead up to being able to bridge into that more, if that makes sense. For sure, your capacity to learn elevates because of the environment you're in, yes, and it's the little take-homes that you're like. Oh yeah, I can add that straight in, or I can put this in my warm-up so that I'm more comfortable in my knee so I can enter a leg entanglement with more confidence.
Speaker 2:Stuff like that. You know. It's not like you're going to come away with this gold nugget of like I'm the best jujitsu athlete on the planet. It's more like oh, I'm more of a complete package now.
Speaker 1:But I think that idea of a like a more complete approach is I mean, that's what it's all about, right. I mean that's what it's all about right. I mean we all fundamentally agree on that because we have our, I guess, pt and kind of S&C backgrounds in that way that we know you need to do a degree of mobility and you need to stretch and you need to strength train and you should have a proper warmup and you know breath work makes a difference for recovery. But it's just there's so that's so many for the regular folks, that's so many different fields of understanding that having someone bring it together for you, I think that's this huge value in that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think we did a little bit of it when Joey and I did this event in the Southern Highlands and it's like people hear breath work and you automatically just sit like think sorry, quiet room, sitting down, eyes closed, like taking that space and doing some breathing right, like this stuff that we're going to do is going to be live during the rounds.
Speaker 2:Right you know, like we're blocking noses, we're taping mouths, we're going to be doing breath holds at certain times while we're training to try and intensify certain effects, right, and it's learning how to get the body to adapt during those things. That then gives you a bigger tank for down the track. How interesting, um, so it's. Yeah, it's not that classical breath work, like you know in for three, out for three kind of vibe. It's like all right, everyone's gonna tape their mouth for this round nasal breathing. Only let's see how we can control our breath. I'm feeling gassed already yeah, she's punishing.
Speaker 3:You had us do a. Uh, we did a little circuit.
Speaker 2:We had to haul a mouthful of water in our mouth yeah, and if you didn't have any water in your mouth at the end of it, we had to do it again yeah, it was horrible and we did like four rounds or something you just got to keep them out, you know.
Speaker 3:So you can't open your mouth, right? Yeah you just got this dank fucking water in your mouth.
Speaker 1:Just lukewarm water is this? Is this like the tiktok challenges where, like you, gotta slap each other in the face? I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2:Oh look, joe's gonna pretend like he's never seen Tiff what's this platform you guys are wasting your time on?
Speaker 1:no? No, it's usually a couple's thing, but it's like you each have, oh, you guys shared it with each other.
Speaker 3:That's nice. Well, actually, bill and I were doing it the other day, the rock and Kevin Hart they did it.
Speaker 2:It I was the rock.
Speaker 1:What was funny is this woman slapped the shit out of her husband. He didn't lose the water, but because she found it so funny, she just spat the water out, she's like oh, this is too good. Anyway, it was enjoyable. You ran an event recently down in Melbourne, right, I did do our mobility seminar, and the thing which is good about that is everybody gets a sheet, and so you actually Everyone gets a sheet, and so you actually Everyone gets a sheet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you go through, like, do the assess? No, no, no. But I'm saying that, like it's one of those things that you usually go to a seminar and it's like how's this applicable to me? Yeah, and that's the thing that I find annoying. I go to a seminar and then I walk away and I'm like that was so one size fits all. It's really on you to work hard to pull out the nuggets.
Speaker 2:And it's hard with a big group too.
Speaker 1:as a practitioner, we had about 30 people. It was meant to be a bit smaller, but a few more people showed up and I think the difference on that one is everybody came with. Oh, this is something I want to work on.
Speaker 1:And it took a bit longer because I make sure that I want everyone to go away with at least one really helpful thing, and so I will make extra time there, but the whole idea is to cultivate something which helps that person go right. This is my approach now. Well, I have a little toolkit. I'm going to start working with this Because, for the most part, like as much as you can do a lot of different things when you actually have an expert look at you and give you feedback, makes huge difference yeah and you would have felt that your own self when you've done you.
Speaker 1:You know your own experiences at movement camps and because we've also not, I guess between us not just been the coaches, we've been coached and felt that difference right for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's um, I think it's largely more like it's all. Yeah, it's like kind of like you touched on with the, the conversations around the training, but it's the, it's all the other shit, the inspiration that comes from it, maybe, um, certain uh practices you observe within the way they deliver information, or little bits of coaching you get. That's not what's on the agenda, but you know, or you see someone else getting coached. Yeah, like, all that shit becomes so valuable, doesn't it? It pays dividends. This is where I think like, um, this is where I I really don't have a problem paying money to be in the room with a person that I admire. That's at a high level, even if the material of whatever they're teaching isn't particularly relevant to me or you're familiar or yeah, yeah, it's like it's, because it's all the other shit that you're there for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, picking up on when it's it's the whole community aspect too. Right like it's easy to get lost in, especially jiu-jitsu, like I'm I'm new to the scene with the almost like tribalism of like different gyms. Right like there's a lot of turf wars that go on and it's you're not new to the scene.
Speaker 3:Now you're purple belt, bro.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you were fucking in there, you're right, thank you, boys, I needed that decade five years, which is no time at all, but half a decade massive continue and also purple of course. Yeah, that's right, we'll see. We'll see continue um. Where was I going with that?
Speaker 3:you just so I just started jiu-jitsu, so I just started anyway.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so yeah so like, and there is a bit of it in like the movement side of things. But it's more the fitness industry, where there's, like you know, fitness, uh, movement versus crossfit, versus power lifting, right like. There's a little bit of like oh you know, we're better than you, and like no one says it directly, but everyone has that kind of?
Speaker 1:well, no, I think people do.
Speaker 2:I think people do say it directly, I just wanted to be a little bit neutral in the potty.
Speaker 3:You know this is recorded right that's all we're here for I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:We're polarizing. I am you do what you like, perfect, um, but in in the martial arts community, it's a lot more prevalent. There's a lot more like people will frown upon people going to different gyms and training at different places some gyms, depending on the gym but it's definitely a lot more obvious.
Speaker 2:as someone that didn't grow up with it, I sort of see it, and it's like people will be cautious of what gyms they go and train to so as not to piss anyone off. But this whole community aspect is what's great about it. Like it's it's not under a banner of a certain teacher or anything like that, it's a movement gym hosting some sick jiu-jitsu coaches that are going to be cross-referencing all of the powerful tools that make you a good athlete, not just on the mats but in general. Right, and that's what I think is going to be. The best part is like the community element of people getting together, sharing different things. We do this at our gym, you do this at your gym. We can integrate all this kind of stuff back at our home base and like that's the beauty Like you get all these little like cheat sheets almost from each person that you meet that weekend.
Speaker 2:Everyone gets a sheet.
Speaker 3:No sheet on this one oh okay, oh fuck, maybe we'll do a digital PDF. Jt can bring some sheets, bro, are you?
Speaker 1:going to be there. I'm hard copy.
Speaker 2:I will be there, ladies and gentlemen, yeah, special announcement JT's coming to headline the mobility and the strength components of Fight.
Speaker 1:Flow, bringing that bulletproof to the Fight Flow, which I'm excited about. So, yeah, man, I mean when you talked about it I was like fuck, that sounds great. I mean it's very much. You know what you are doing personally and what you're trying to do with the camp itself is so in line with what we're about in terms of helping grapplers have the better movement and also the longevity. So, yeah, stoked to be down there and be amongst it and also get the chance to just hang out on the mats, roll with folks, experience the breath, work. Like it will be nice to also not just lead some sessions but participate too. That would be fucking great.
Speaker 2:I'll have been waiting almost three years to get my next shot around with you as well, so I'm very excited. Bit of context, folks.
Speaker 1:The first time, Will and I rolled. He tried to First and only time.
Speaker 2:First and only time.
Speaker 1:Snap me down and jump guillotine me. In the first 15 seconds I was like what are you doing, bro? Can we just reverse that?
Speaker 2:Just start a little bit, a little bit of editing here. When Jamie gets a chance to run it back, jack, we're just going to rewind that back and you said try, I believe I got there, but you were just very, very strong and shucked it off. I think I set it out quite well. I think I was only a four-stripe white belt at the time.
Speaker 1:You know, when you see someone go to shake hands, you're actually a blue belt. That's funny. You know when someone goes to shake hands and the person just goes and there's usually a fist bump there, maybe there's a bit of a slap. It's like slap and jump and snap.
Speaker 2:We grazed knuckles as I went.
Speaker 3:You were the comes out, you were the Kevin Holland Bro none of that.
Speaker 1:There was no comes up from this man. It was just rookie energy and it's fun. I like that about Will because he also tried to heel hook me really quickly.
Speaker 2:So I was like he's like yeah, bro, for context, I don't know legs.
Speaker 1:He was like, oh, if you can come down and show us some leg locks, try to outside heel hook me like very fast. I was like what are you doing? First of all, it was an ankle lock.
Speaker 2:It was a good time. It was a good time. It was a grip and rip. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. I was squeezing as hard as I could, I mean does the mosquito bowl?
Speaker 3:of the elephant?
Speaker 1:No you swing the trunk and you just fucking move on. But that said, also got to roll with your coaching.
Speaker 2:Adam's my coach. Yeah, so he's been doing like. I've been doing a one-on-one with him on average, maybe once a week for, like most of the time I've been doing.
Speaker 1:He's super handy. Had a great role with him, like was very back and forth and great mover. Yeah, yeah, he's excellent.
Speaker 2:He's super athletic, super calm and he's one of those black belts too, that's like really good at explaining almost the entirety of a sequence and how it works fundamentally and just always happens to leave out, like that key component of defense that leaves the lower belt stranded as fuck when he gets to a certain point yeah, so you do it to me and I will defeat it, yeah yeah, so he's really good at that.
Speaker 2:And then he's just like I can't teach you everything just yet, bro, you know, but he's uh, he's like, really, mr miyagi energy nice, yeah, yeah, lovely guy.
Speaker 2:Sick coach, and I think part of part of why I am you still a garage yeah, yeah, I'm trying at garage as well yeah, yeah sick nice yeah, try and do once a week down there with ryan and the crew there and again ryan's um, one of the other coaches that uh hosting that weekend. We'll be doing a lot of the jiu-jitsu stuff at garage. Fuck yeah, um, and he's just like anyone that's made.
Speaker 3:He's the nicest guy in jiu-jitsu the nicest guy probably in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, probably, like he's just such a nice dude always gives everyone a time of the day and just so knowledgeable like knows all the techniques back the front, inside out adapt it for a heavy body, adapt it for a smaller body, like you guys would understand. Yeah, um, and he's just. Yeah, he's very much about like building that holistic element of it as well. Like he gets the warm-ups are really great. He's got the bulletproof posters on the wall at the gym he right.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's got an S&C background. He always runs a great session. I always love going down there and training there, whether it be the comm class or even just Comm class, is really good. Yeah, he just structures it well and he's able to keep everybody on point, and I really like that. He doesn't over-explain, he's like this is what we're doing, right, go to work, and that's for me, at least from my perspective. I love that.
Speaker 2:Well, it's almost too like one of the big things I've found with him teaching. I don't have a huge experience of being at like multiple different gyms, but I've watched a lot and everything like that, but there's no, there's never really any questions. You know, after a technique like he has a, he's got a really good way of teaching where everything already makes sense and there's not really any like gray area of certain things. It's like here's entry one, two and three here's how we go from point a to point b to point c and just he just really manages that process really well. There's rarely anyone going, oh, that doesn't make sense. Yeah, so it's um, and I think that's probably a secret gift as a coach doing jiu-jitsu, um, like it's fucking hard to do.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, he's been doing it a long time too. I think that's the other thing, and running a successful gym in and of itself is its own challenge. So he's done a great job with that and been able to, like, help, raise people on so many levels, whether they'd be just everyday folks or people trying to compete as well. But let's talk a little bit more about my friends. I am here to save you time.
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Speaker 2:training wise, I've been doing like the whole movement kind of vibe for maybe the best part of a decade now, right, um, yeah, actually I think ghetto turns 10 this year, so it'll be 10 years at least that I've been sort of in that, congrats.
Speaker 3:Does that include up in the roof cavity? Yeah, yeah, the original yoga classes. And yeah, right on.
Speaker 2:So went full spectrum, went full yogi, into like movement, into handstands, and then sort of landed somewhere in a mongrel breed in the middle of it all, perfect, um. But yeah, I think the thing that always intrigued me about jujitsu and um we were working out of you guys know grant barlow and jen down in, um, they've got synergy method now, yeah, um so we were working out of um, grant and jen's gym in wulingong and they would do casual mats right.
Speaker 2:Um and grant was like you've got to come and try it out. Like he goes, you're flexible, you're strong, like you'll really love it. And he wasn't wrong, like it's honestly For people that move a lot and like at the time I was doing a lot of that locomotion stuff as well, it's just it complements it so well and I was basically just addicted straight away. And so when we moved into our bigger space, you know, selfishly, because I didn't have the time to get to the classes at that stage, I think Grant and Jen only maybe had one or two things that they were running a week and selfishly I was like, well, I'll put a class or two on at Ghetto that I can go to, grant can come in and teach and we can give it to our members as well. Nice. And then we kind of just grew like a little community. At first it was like two or three, then there was like five, then there was 10 people at the gym doing it and it kind of just like started growing from there, growing from there. And then Grant and Jen moved to their new facility and started doing classes and everything. So we stopped at ghetto but we're training there, um, a majority of the time, um, but yeah, just tied in really well and it's.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that I find. I'm not necessarily great at jujitsu Well, I'm not great at all at jujitsu but I'm very aware of my body and like I can twist, turn, bend, touch my toes, split all those things right. Like I'm aware and I've got strength in that range so I can survive a lot of positional foreplay before things get dangerous and get myself out of it, um, which I found to be somewhat of a superpower, like going through things, because like you can get beat up pretty bad by people in jujitsu just for fun, um, and if you're just strong enough in the right areas and sort of spatially aware enough of what's happening, you can defend quite well and then obviously down the track you learn to attack. I haven't quite reached that point in my jujitsu path just yet, but I'll try.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you can attack. I think you're probably talking down your jujitsu here.
Speaker 2:Talking up the mobility, because that's what we're trying to sell.
Speaker 1:You need mobility. Bro, you are a slippery gypsy.
Speaker 2:I was trying to get you and I was like I can't hold on to this guy, it's kind of similar with people that have a football background. Right they?
Speaker 3:play rugby league or union, they come to jujitsu.
Speaker 2:And they're not necessarily good at the technique itself, but they understand the concept of body leverage and how to. Yeah, exactly right. And if you can make that difficult for someone, even though eventually the guy with the you know superior knowledge and technique system will win out there are occasions where you can hold it up long enough or make them swap to something else because you've put up enough resistance in those areas.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think that's something that's really important for people to learn, especially when coming into it. Like you know, jujitsu is having an absolute moment at the moment, with like mid thirties guys, you know, just jumping on the bandwagon and getting into it, but their bodies are getting smashed and all these things. And it's like if you've got the tools you can, you can really like have a good hard run at it. And you know as much as it is a physically demanding craft, like it's also so great to like just blow off some steam and you know, give that mental sort of uh, um, what's the word? Download that? You know you just let all that shit go and it's, it's, it's so great for that yeah, 100, so it's, it's yeah%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's super cool, but off topic a little there, where I was going with the jiu-jitsu stuff with the journey of it all.
Speaker 2:So Adam was really heavy in sort of like Grant and Jen set up at Synergy and everything like that. He was one of their first teachers there and he was just really good at systemizing things for people like myself with a bit of add or adhd the kids call it these days sure, um, you know, and sort of like painting the picture of like how to actually go about your business. Because, sure, when you look at it, it's like what the fuck's even happening here? Like, yeah, you look at it and you can't see the setting up of things happening until you start to, you know, be in it. Um, and adam was really great at drawing this thing that he called like your inner, mid and outer circle, and he's like back control is going to be your outer circle, right, getting into that space, and then your mid control is going to be solidifying one part of it and then your inner circle is going to be looking for the sub, and so he would just go about like, while he's teaching me one-on-one like going, this is the only thing you need to focus on today and like really simplifying and almost dumbing it down. To that respect and I didn't realize it at the time, probably not until recently like when I've started being able to string stuff together. But, like when I said before the Mr Miyagi thing, I was like, oh, this is just him repetition, you know learning what's what and how to do it. But now it's like I don't even have to think about certain things because your body just goes there, because you have this really simple concept of, like outer, inner, and working your way to that space and it's just like that's a cool concept, yeah, and it's something that I've taken into like other training and coaching as well.
Speaker 2:Now is like thinking about all right, the big goal here is being able to have a position that you can default to under fatigue.
Speaker 2:And if you can make that in any scenario whether it's jujitsu, whether it's handstands or something like that right, like if you have that position where it's mindless and you can jump into it, then you default there and you can go through the motions and you can set stuff up without really having to export too much mental or physical output.
Speaker 2:And it's always been something that I was like yeah, that's something that I would love taught to people as they start at ghetto or at garage, when we're going in and doing those things, and it's um, it's a really great concept to to be able to then start to go. You know, there's this circle now, and now we're going to look at our passing and we're going to look at backstep in our passing because that can set up some North South which can set up side back, which then sets up your circle of back Right. And you know, you start to see this map of things that link together and you're like, oh, it's not as complicated as, like, what I thought, and now I've got some take-homes that I can, like, start to conceptualize and it becomes a bit more tangible.
Speaker 2:Yeah and um yeah, that was a big, big, big stepping stone for me in like the jiu-jitsu journey of of um, basically not just pissing in the wind and hoping for the best.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, or hoping I can get you a long way though. Yeah, when you're strong and flexible. Yeah, it does. It does to a certain point.
Speaker 2:But then you know you, uh, you need a few little bits and pieces to help it is good to learn something every now and again.
Speaker 1:And then you meet someone who's strong and flexible, who also knows jujitsu, and you're like oh fuck yeah, exactly right this technique thing.
Speaker 3:There's something to it. I'm not gonna roll with this guy anymore. I like training with this guy. Training with this guy, yeah I mean it's.
Speaker 1:This is the challenge I mean, I think, the thing that I wanted to, I guess, express, like you know we're talking community, right, and you know Jungle Brothers is a strong community and you know Ghetto is a strong community, and there's something about spending time training with other humans that creates this. You know, the shared struggle creates the camaraderie but, I think, also creating a unique situation. So it's not often that you get on the ground and crawl around with someone you know what I mean. It's not often that you hoist Not often enough, yeah right, and it's not often that you hoist someone up on your fucking shoulders and they're trusting you're not going to drop them and you trust that they're not going to drop you same jujitsu, like you're trusting they're not going to break your arm or fucking snap your acl or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1:But I, I think the, the thing which is unique and cool about the um, the camp idea, and the, the intensive idea, the immersion of it, is that it's kind of unreplicatable for that weekend, like what that weekend is the weather, the food, the people. Like you might never get those people together again, but when I did the JB's camp, I was rooming with Faraz, and so here's the thing. Right, this is crazy. My childhood best friend, omar, who I grew up with, did some acting, and when we were kids, faraz got his major break in like Zero Dark or Pitch.
Speaker 3:Dark with Vin Diesel. Oh, did he yeah.
Speaker 2:You've got a bit of a background in film, don't you, joe? I do A little background, faraz.
Speaker 3:Durrani. Here's the thing Faraz was not Shout out bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shout out. Thanks for listening, bro. I didn't expect to see like I had seen him back in the days, cambridge Park, you know, penrith Basketball Stadium. We all played basketball together. But Omar kind of knew him through the acting thing. Omar was doing some kind of young talent acting shit and everyone was like yo, faraz is famous, bro. He was in a movie with fucking vin diesel. He's in there for five minutes. He gets eaten by aliens in the first. Like you know, he plays this little kid more film time than I've got right.
Speaker 1:But what was amazing was like years later, as adults, we come together for this thing and now we're roomies, you guys are rooming.
Speaker 3:I thought who's who's someone that can match jt's energy?
Speaker 2:for us got more energy than me, right?
Speaker 1:no, that guy's I don't believe he's a fucking performer man.
Speaker 3:That guy's always fucking we had this like little hand. We did the handstand session on the saturday afternoon and you know it's a big day, it's sort of we'd already everyone's cooked, yeah, and then it was like perfect time to do hands go on fucking throw up, have a go see what you can do, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:And for us, like pretty shit at all the handstand drills, like because he can't concentrate and he's too busy fucking talking and whatever. And then he gets there and he does a fucking. He just jumps up onto his hands, catches this wily thing and then handstand push-up but like big scorpion, like legs come over by accident but holds it presses back. You know, just like could only do it when all the eyes are on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, yeah, yeah, fucking did it, yeah, amazing yeah, and that's workshop magic. But that's what happens at work, yeah that wouldn't happen in the gym.
Speaker 1:No, that's right but but the funny thing about it was us being able to reconnect and hang out like it was like fuck, we haven't. Like we haven't seen each other since we were kids, but now we're here as adults, kind of doing childlike things. But the cool thing about it was just you. Yeah, man, it creates these connections. I think this is the thing that has made me like really, you know, excited for and interested to be a part of the fight and flow thing is, I know whoever's going to come is going to. We're going to get connected in a way that you just won't in other circumstances, even though you might see someone at an open mat and that's really cool. Like you've each had your own experiences with camps, I'm sure, whether it was as a leader or as a participant where you've just you felt a resonance or a connection where you're like this is fucking so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean you know like yeah yeah, yeah, at an open mat like you can rock up on a weekend and go check out a gym and 50% of the people will come over and say, hi, what's up? Like welcome, all the rest of it percent of the people that are there that you probably won't interact with at all right at these things it's like and you never actually get very deep with anyone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right. And if you're only there for an hour a week or whatever it is, you go in, do the class, you leave. You know you might get to roll with. You know, in a normal class, like 30 of the people that are there that day and over a year you might interact with 20 30 people, tops right over a 12, over a weekend. You know however many people rock up to this event. You're going to interact with them one-on-one. You know two, three, four times through the weekend, right, like you'll be doing different drills with them, different training. You'll be chatting at lunch, chatting after classes, swapping ideas on recovery.
Speaker 2:You know, while we go for a swim or whatever it is Like it kind of forces this social setting that isn't really um replicatable replicatable anywhere else, because you're all there for the same thing and so you have this kind of bond already that you want to turn up and learn these things. You want to do better, you want to be better. Um, that starts a conversation straight away. Um, you know, people will ask where you're from, what you do, how long you've been rolling, what color belt you on. Now I don't feel so shit for you subbing me earlier.
Speaker 3:I'm not really into belts, you know.
Speaker 1:Belts are a construct. Yeah, they hold you back mentally.
Speaker 2:Which I buy into, ready for my brown, for whoever's listening. But yeah, I think it's a concept that I think is underrated. Like JB is the same right, it's a. It's a concept that I think is underrated, like even like jb is the same right, like the before we really knew each other that well.
Speaker 2:I loved the vibe of jb and I loved the crew. I loved what you guys were posting and like everything like that, because you can see the community element of it straight away and that's what we tried to emulate at ghetto is it's a community first organization and that's why it succeeds, because it's the people, not the place or the thing. Right, sure, and Anytime Fitness is never going to have a soul in it because there's no people there doing the things that we do with our community. Yeah, and it's one of those things that's super special and that's what we try to take to these events in like an even more hyped-up way, is that we're broadening those communities, making it bigger, making it more, um, you know, sort of accepting to get in and around. So it's that's what I think is like the real secret sauce in all this like you go and you have this experience of learning that you're also broadening your community, broadening, like the people that you're going to then continue to grow with down the track as well.
Speaker 2:Right, like the amount of Instagram DMs that will happen after this event on like, oh hey, bro, did you try that thing? Or how did you find your breath work? What's your breath score up to All these things? Right, it just pumps up all these conversations with people that you didn't know before the event and it's like, yeah, that's what I think the magic is yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Well, I'm stoked for it, man, I'm excited to be a part of it and connect with all the good folks and obviously work side by side with yourself and Ryan and Roxy, and you know just, I think being able to create a continuation of sessions to have that immersive experience is like, yeah, it's powerful, man. I haven't done that kind of thing for a little while, so I think it's going to be great. I'm looking forward to it. So, in terms of people getting on board with this thing, because it is a local Sydney thing, but you are also thinking to do something international.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, as both of you know, I really struggle with staying on one thing for too long. Yeah, so this is going to be our first one and it's going to be a two-day intensive, so just a Saturday, sunday, but at the intensive we will announce our Bali event. So we're going to go to the tropics and spend a week over there, and it obviously just becomes more intense every day.
Speaker 2:A little rest day in there every now and then. And then sort of the concept of Fight Flow was the crossover between how often jiu-jitsu athletes also like to surf and how many hobbyist surfers there are that also do a little bit of jiu-jitsu. Jt can't swim.
Speaker 3:There's a knee-deep pool and cannot surf. That's fine bro. Actually, he fucking hates the beach. Just to clarify.
Speaker 2:We've got big foam boards.
Speaker 1:I love the beach, I love to look at it, I love to admire all the sexy people on there. Cocktail, I just eat my fish and chips from the sideline and that's fine. You know who you are. Yeah, I mean, all superheroes have a nemesis. Superheroes have a nemesis. It's like water. Water, I think. Yeah, like when you're made of stone. You think I'm like bruce willis in um, unbreakable, that's that's. You know, every superhero's got a weakness. I've got it now. You know, mr glass, try and sink me, but um, but I mean, yeah, no, the surfing piece I have tried. My old bosses from fitline were avid surfers and so they would always get us down to torquay. That was like their excuse to try and do a business retreat.
Speaker 2:They're like we're gonna teach you guys so this is, that's exactly what this is for me, and I just want to go do jiu-jitsu and surf with all my friends.
Speaker 1:They would kind of leave us and they'd be like, yeah, you guys paddle out, and they'd be out there and I'd be, I'd be drowning just to try and get out through the initial break, to just to get out there. And I'm bro when you haven't.
Speaker 2:It's the same as a white belt rocking up to an open mat, right like it is the exact same experience, except instead of like waves, you've got giant humans, and then vice versa. Yeah, and you're just dealing with a force that you haven't dealt with before, and it takes you by surprise either way.
Speaker 2:You're fucking drowning, yeah, exactly like it's so bad and it's and I think that's why there's such an overlap, right, because they're both sports that you know a relatively low barrier to start.
Speaker 2:But high skill, high skill, yeah, and it attracts you mentally as well, I think, like getting out there and just hitting the reps in both. But yeah, so the weekend, you know, weather depending and conditions depending, we might even get down for a little early morning surf with everyone. We might even get down for a little early morning surf with everyone, but at the bare minimum, an afternoon swim getting a salt water. Sorry, excuse me, but then in Bali, because it is a week and it's so intense, we'll have rest times and there'll be a chance to, you know, if you want to do a surf lesson or if you want to go out and actually just surf. If you want to lay by the pool and have a margarita and some fish and chips, you can also do that. That lovely, um, but yeah, the the barley event will be really sick, um, I'm not going to disclose location just yet.
Speaker 1:No, no I might have jumped the gun there. I just thought it's uh no, no, definitely not jumped.
Speaker 2:It's all, it's all but booked it would just be.
Speaker 1:I think it's just because we have some some good folks out there who love bulletproof, who've never actually had a chance to, um, catch up with myself or joey, or have the opportunity, or maybe they're interested in this thing and they're like I don't where, the, where the fuck is woolengong, yeah, you know what I mean? They have no idea, right, and so I think putting it out there that yeah, it's awesome that there'll be a low, there's this local opportunity, but the fact that maybe international folks might be able to come along, that's that's super exciting as well yeah, and that's the.
Speaker 2:that's the one where we can sort of really start to play with what we can do to. You know, like um, really break down different components, like the weekend will be a very intense all-in-one buffet, um, but the week long we can, you know, spend time, you know theming days around, like specific things that are going to help for the jiu-jitsu that we do that day, and then the recovery that we do that afternoon for the next morning, so on and so forth, so we can really tie that stuff together on the week-long event. You can sink your teeth right in that's exciting.
Speaker 1:So, folks who are keen for this, I think what we'll do is, we will set up a link for this app so that people can go check it out. But if people are trying to contact you, mr Will, and they're trying to get around understanding what you do, what's the best way for people to get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:You can either just hit our Instagram at ghetto movement or hit me at will at ghetto movementcom with an email. They're the two easiest ways. I'm relatively on top of all the messaging and emails that come through there, so reach out to us and we can get you in the right place and get you started Awesome.
Speaker 3:Boss, boss. Thank you for coming, brother.
Speaker 2:We appreciate you. Are we on the mats now? Is that what's happening you wish? I do?
Speaker 1:We're just going to do it here on the couch right now. I mean, it's fucking my job In front of these guys. Let's fucking go the cameras on. It's fucking. You just see, will through the window. That's the lighting nice.
