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CJI 2 Recap | Grappling Will NEVER Be The Same
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A good martial artist does not become tense, but ready. Essentially, at this point, the fight is over, so you pretty much flow with the goal. Who is worthy to be trusted with the secret to limitless power? I'm ready. Cji 2, the recap. The truth boots on the ground. I've got the insight. I was there, the story's behind the stories. You just got back a couple of days ago. I literally got back yesterday, bam, and so I was in San Francisco for a couple of days before CJI2, went down to Vegas, connected with Jack, shut out young blood, and then we, yeah, we're at the event and connecting with folks in Las Vegas, caught up with Benny from Partisan, his partner, and, yeah, just seeing people all around the town, which is always cool. I think that's the great vibe with an event like this, because also, world Masters is on Jiu-Jitsu Con, so you've got like 13,000 people plus all coming for that.
Speaker 1:Cji planned it around that same kind of deal, piggyback like they did last time ADCC and shit. Yeah, it was strategic in that way, but it was also a long weekend. It was like a bank holiday on Monday, so it was so like it was very busy. Yeah, right on. Yeah, what was the vibe coming into it like the expectations were very high. I think the expectations were super high. The hype was legitimate because having a team's event, you're like this could be the best thing. This could be the best thing ever. This could be even better than the first cji. Imagine that. Yeah, pardon me, but which would prove to be a curse. Yeah, how fucking good the first. I think it is so difficult to do the follow-up so you could just say that. But there were certain things about the first cji which made it great and those things were not present. Well, so well, let's talk about that. What made cji number one so good? You were there, we're both there. It was fucking great. The, the five rounds, uh, or four, like three rounds or five rounds for the final, yep. And the scoring Having the scoring, undoing, scoring right, yeah. Letting us know at the end of the round the judges think so-and-so's ahead, yeah, whether you agree with that or not, you know where the match is at, yeah. So if you know that one person's up two rounds and there's only one round to go, or three to, you're like, well, fuck, they need to put out the submission, send it. Yeah. And that emphasis on action meant the matches were action, yeah, and there was a lot of use of the alleyway, the wall, yeah, and that was fucking exciting. Yeah, it was cool, you know. And also the fact that there was one match on and everyone was focused on that, yeah, so, coming into CJI 2., it was also like.
Speaker 1:One of the other things that played strongly is that it was like a. It was a revolutionary event. Yes, it was. You know what I mean it was like, but it was the way, the way the event was framed. It was a whole rebellious thing against, and everyone's like, fuck you, this is sick, this is some underground shit Changing the game. Yeah, and everyone's like, fuck yeah, this is sick, this is some underground shit Changing the game. Yeah, you know which, you would have to say.
Speaker 1:A little bit of that sort of sheen had worn off by the time the second event came around. I don't think so. No, I understand that perspective, but I think what people were excited about was the potential matchups, because you didn't know who would get matched with who, and so that means you could get some real like, like the absolute. Maybe Fabrizio Andre fucking, fucking launches somebody way bigger than him, and that's fucking exciting. But unfortunately, the rule set rewarded stalling. The rule set rewarded stalling. And this is the biggest letdown of the whole tournament was really, if you looked at how to game it, all it took was for one member of a team to get a submission and then the rest of the matches could be stalling like stall outs, and then that team would win and you're like, surely they're not going to do that? But that, ladies and gentlemen, is what they did, and you know if you, if you're like surely they're not going to do that, but that, ladies and gentlemen, is what they did.
Speaker 1:And you know if you, if you watched it, I tell you what being there, it was a five times more frustrating than watching it on YouTube. Yeah, like I, you know, like the vlog where Jack was there filming the vlog and there were so many times he'd like cut to my reaction and I'm just like, like, like it wasn't me being like woo. Yeah, like I was just like man, fuck this. It was so disappointing because the bigger guys there was some really good kind of size matchups and you've got to give credit to like a guy like Owen Jones or like any of the smaller guys who did really well against bigger guys, but the bigger guys knew all they had to do was just control, just make it to the end. Yeah, I'll get subbed, yeah, and if they'd already got a sub, then that was it. And so, yeah, it's an interesting point, the vibe from day one was pretty average Dude.
Speaker 1:I was like so I'm a big fan of quintet, as you know, and one of the things that quintet does they penalize. They fucking. They're so hardcore with the penalties, like that, like they, they slap hands, go, and if five seconds later no one's done anything, referees like penalty, penalty, if you get three penalties it's disqualification. And then they just drive as athletes like fuck, I gotta do something, and they just make shit happen, right, and day one we saw no penalties. Like the referee did not intervene once, yeah, and look, even you know, as we all know, like craig had to get online, offer extra money, yeah, and then also say, yes, we're bringing in quintet-esque rules to penalize well, it was already there, it was already a quintet rule set I to penalize. Well, it was already there, it was already a quintet rule set. I didn't know that that was it was, and I didn't know either, but it was actually a co-labbed quintet event, right, and and they were like we're following the quintet rules here, and so we were like fucking sick. And then, when the day one played out, we're like you didn't enforce that key part of the rules. So then I think there was a lot of backlash online and, as a result, look more people, look, the stadium is probably only half full. Day one there was more people. Day two, I think people would come from Jiu Jitsu con and it was like people would come for the finals. But, yes, day two started way better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that ref, the bald headed guy, yeah, the one that the one that galvan had beef with, yes, because he, fucking, he switched it on, on, on. Was it hulk, which, yeah, hulk versus, uh, not joseph chan? Was it joseph chan? Maybe it was last year, no, no, but I was thinking it was a similar thing. It was somebody with a profound guard game. Could have been, because it was athos versus team williams. Uh, in the the day two. So, anyway, to the, to the site, yeah, so, yes, uh, team new wave, I call them team williams, aega, forgive me.
Speaker 1:So, so that that red hulk was stalling and so to turn it over, and that ref was like it could have been against mika. Okay, yeah, right. And that ref was like fucking dishing out penalties and it was like, fuck, yes, they've turned it around. And people got excited, yeah, okay. And you could feel that watching it Like it brought the energy up and you're like, oh, it's on now, this is what we wanted to see. But then big John McCarthy came out and I love big John McCarthy, right, I was excited for him to be there. He did nothing. He did nothing for penalties and then he did nothing for penalties and then just reverted yeah, went back to stall tactics.
Speaker 1:It was so tough to accept that you had the potential of all these great matchups and some of the best athletic talent ever brought together in one stadium to take Nogi and turn it back into IBJJF Worlds Stall city. That's not what we're there for. People weren't really using the wall. Actually, stand out. Damien Olivares, dorian Dorian Olivares Just bulldogging everyone. So good, what a savage bro. The roughest unit, yeah, the smother. Oh, yeah, on Penner. He also did the. Ethanhan krelenstein beat the. Oh, dude krelenstein, he destroyed krelenstein. It was rough town. Yeah, yeah, he was fucking great to watch. So that was that. I mean you, arguably it was.
Speaker 1:It was his matches, stuff, that kind of that saved it, because you're like, fuck, yeah, I can get excited about this, yeah, and there was some great moments like, of course, yeah, but I think the difficulty was a team could win without submissions, yeah, I think even the fact that both players get kind of knocked down, even if it were to have a golden point or some kind of outcome See, what you guys may not know, you're watching at home People told me and I think you might have mentioned it, joe that you got to see the score at the end of the match. Is that right? Oh, you know, actually, on reflection, I I can't remember someone told me that, right, we didn't see the score, right like we, we watched the match and it was kind of okay, both players knocked out, there's no submission. We actually didn't know which way the judges went on it, right, so we kind of left to guess, yeah, and I think that was a huge failing because at least we, you know, if we saw, if we knew what the judges were thinking, we could have formed an opinion and we couldn't.
Speaker 1:And you know I was sitting around a variety of people, you know I didn't have Pissing off your neighbors, no, I think people think people found it funny. You know me just fucking just roasting everyone I was. I was genuinely disappointed with everyone, australians included, like I was so I believe my expectation was too high but the potential was big and, as a result, I was very you know, I was just scathing of the whole thing, you know, I, yeah. So and I don't want to, I don't want to have, I don't want to be a whinger about this, because I obviously loved the event. It like overall and it's fucking amazing, right, like the money and the talent they get and all that.
Speaker 1:But I noticed, like and I think I saw this a lot from the Australian grapplers was like they stuck to their game only and refused to adapt. Yeah, refused. Like a lot of the ones that wanted to play guard Canard, canard. Yeah, canard versus Woji Refused to come on top. Like, just did not come. Andard. Yeah, canard versus Wojcik Refused to come on top. Like, just did not come. And you're like, and you're not going to Even Adele, right, actually, that was the biggest, that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1:Fuck, come on top. Like, come on top, do some shit. You know, because obviously, like you could see Cravar's strategy of I'll sit back on this bogus. But you're like she's, she's talking to the judges here and she's doing a good job of it. She gamed it, yeah, yeah. And so, coming in and and just, and it was similar to the Fionn match, right, yeah, um of like, where Adele's like no, I'm sticking to my guard game here. But yeah, if we compare Fionn and then faux attack yeah, same kind of same playbook and also just dangle her hair in her face, that was fucked. Yeah, that was so ridiculous. Yeah, but yeah, I felt like this, like and I look, if you looked at the attacks that Adele had and I say this with no bias, like I'm I mean I'm going to give like a point of like credit and a point of criticism, right, because I love Adele.
Speaker 1:Adele, you're my girl, I love you to death. Adele's attacks were legitimate. You know, when she went to the arm, she went to like they were legitimate and you're like that's a threat and Craver had to fucking defend. So I think a lot of people were messaging me, being like, how rigged was that? Like Craver was attacking nothing, how could you award them? But I think it's like similar to MMA, that like, oh, she was jabbing even if she wasn't doing damage, right. So even though if you thought that Adele had the major attacks, she wasn't as attacking as Craver.
Speaker 1:Here's the point of criticism when you saw Adele escaping, she was just bailing, like she was literally just disconnecting and lying on the ground, like what you'll see a lot of the times with leg lockers is they'll defend and repummel and re-attack yeah, you know, like it's it's dude goes for this. You know, girl goes for that. Like back and forth. Adele was just like no, I'm not tapping to this, and just no counter, right. And I spoke with Jake afterwards, jake O'Driscoll, I bumped into him at the end of it and he's like yeah, we've got a couple of things to work on. There was a very clear footage of where Adele was trying to get out of a footlock and she was totally disengaged, no points of contact, just bailing. This happened multiple times with no direct counter, no counter, and didn't threaten to come up or sweep or yeah, yeah. And that was, as a huge Adele fan, fucking frustrating. So I just knew. But here's the thing I wanted to see more of the game right, more of her game.
Speaker 1:Let's speak about the women's setup. It was better than the men's because they had the rounds, they had the scoring. Sarah Galvano was fucking awesome, oh bro, so good. She was on fire. She's looking great, yeah, and that was the format that made CJI great is the rounds, the scoring. One person can win a chunk of money, yeah, so good. Come out like a rabid dog, yeah, and the tournament missed that dog. Yeah, and I the the tournament missed that. So, man, I I feel like the women's matches were more exciting than most of the men's matches.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we saw a bit of the rabid dog vibe, say day two, like badoni, oh yeah, because he obviously had the tapping incident on day one. He was so he's like I'm coming out to prove something and you're like, yeah, this is the energy we needed. And that was kind of the pervasive energy of CJ1. Cjr1, right, yes, where everyone's like out to prove and like I want to fucking win this money. Yeah, tell me, what was the vibe? On the day one?
Speaker 1:We had two mystery tap moments, I think, because from the crowd, like I was actually sitting relatively close, like our seating wasn't, you know, wasn't courtside, but it was like we were only I don't know 10 rows back, uh, 15 rows back, so we had awesome view. The feeling, uh, was that, but only tapped. But that was, but upon reflection maybe not. You know, like very hard to say, you know, because it was, it wasn't like it was. It wasn't like the Martinez tap. No, no, the Martinez was a tap and whether you love him or you don't love him I can never fucking remember which one. No, no, no, is he Gio or Richie? So Richie Martinez is the boogeyman, he's the older brother, right, and Gio's the younger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and look, you know, full credit to that guy. He's a very experienced grappler and a legend of grappling. So I'm not saying this to say bad on him, but dude's on the leg, kind of belly down twisting, and he's like straining and he puts his hand to the thigh or something and it's more than once it looks like a tap. So when he's like I didn't, you're like dude, like you're all professionals, like let him break your shit, then Don't make it look like a tap, like it was so, and then it's we all saw the video. Yeah, dude, you can see it just looks. You're not selling that, you're not tapping. It looked very much like a tap.
Speaker 1:So I think the initial reaction was like maybe with the Bodoni case, maybe if Pierman, if he just kept going and then we saw if it was actually more of a threat, then maybe there'd be more of a case for it. Might have jumped the gun a little bit on that one On letting go of it, yeah, but he was like, oh, he tapped, but like if he just kept kind of cranking and then actually got a tap, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I think that people were happy because people wanted to see a result. People fucking wanted to see it. He needed to take a little bit of that energy of.
Speaker 1:Was it when Luke Griffith got the choke on? Who Was it when Luke Griffith got the choke on? Who was the little guy he fought? Was it Pato? No, he fought some.
Speaker 1:You know one of the lightweight guys and he just, and he just Crushed, crushed and then the guy attacked and he just, and you saw him, he actually fucking got evil face until the ref was like, hey, man, let go, let go, yeah. And you're like, oh, what a fucking dog Luke Griffiths was bringing. That mean mean energy man. Yeah, like, yeah, fun to watch, yeah. And I mean, look, to be honest, like his fight, his match, I should say, with Nicky Rod. Nicky Rod didn't look like he was all there man. No, you don't think so. He looked injured, yeah right, like I mean maybe it was just on that day, but he didn't look great. But yeah, he won, he was able to get the win.
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Speaker 1:There is a couple of confusing elements. So, obviously, gable steveson he pulls out. Yeah, two weeks later has his successful mma match. What I love is how hard people are trolling him in the comments, are they? Oh, yeah, you know, champion of turf toe, like he overcame turf toe to be, you know? Oh, because that's why he pulled out. Yeah, because I think the UFC, the context, the alleged context, is that he might have copped some pressure from the UFC to fuck Craig up. Yeah, right, because he's kind of enemy number one to the UFC, cause he's speaking so bad about the UFC, bjj and all of that. So, and his debut he debuted in the UFC, did he? Well, no, it's like a Zufa owned organization, it's not the UFC. But you know, if he does well there, then you can see where that might go.
Speaker 1:But Chael Sonnen came in and got buggy choked just so fast, man, I mean dude it was I couldn't get excited about that. Well, no, no, no, why did Craig have to choke him straight away? Well, that's the thing. I think Chael came in like quite serious, like he's like I'm going to give this guy as much as I've got, and I think Craig was coming in probably too relaxed and then he was like, oh well, I'll just catch this guy. Allegedly I don't know if this is true, this is just what Chael had said is that it was best of three, or something like that. So then they were like, okay, let's run it back. That was done too quickly.
Speaker 1:And Chael was kind of throwing Craig around a bit and I think Craig was like, fuck, getting thrown around, whatever, I'll do it again, you know, because like I don't know what it was, it wasn't like a lap drop, but he, he turned under and he actually threw Craig pretty hard, yeah. And I think Craig was like, oh man, fuck this. And. And just went again and people were saying it looked like a setup. But Chael was out. Oh, I had direct vision on it. He was like, yeah, and he was I. I be honest, full respect to chow, I think he was quite embarrassed. Chow was that he got done the same way twice. Yeah, but that's such a craig move. And then he just bailed, he just he didn't even stick around to say anything. He was just like fuck him out. Who chow? Yeah, yeah. And then gabby got down there.
Speaker 1:It's a bit awkward, like here's thing, as as engineered as everything was because they didn't have, say, hanata Laranja in there keeping the. You know, they went and did some interviews. I had him on the broadcasting, yeah, talking with Jocko and stuff like. But it needed an MC. That wasn't, um, that wasn't the, the main woman. I forget her name, I apologize. It needed someone to kind of keep it going, keep the crowd going, like something.
Speaker 1:And Craig was not engaged in that and I think that people would have loved to have seen Craig in that way, but he just didn't engage. Funny, yeah, he's actually not really into. He's not a spotlight guy. Well, no, he is a spotlight guy. He can't freestyle. He's not an spotlight guy, he. Well, no, it's not, he's not, he is a spotlight guy. He can't freestyle, right, he's not off the cuff, he's a written guy, he. So you can't get him to say anything really as good impromptu and that's just. We've just seen that like every time. It's like, all right, cut to say something, say something off the cuff. Yeah, it was great, all right, but you just don't see it right. He is very good at having something which comes across as very natural and unrehearsed, but it's, it's worked because at the end and this is the thing, and you would all feel it.
Speaker 1:Now let me just share this with you because you know, everyone feels differently about this and I've got a lot of love for folks in the B team. You know, and I don't I I'm not someone who's a big fan of new wave the feeling from the crowd who did not know the score was that new wave was up three matches to two. Right, that was the people would like. What do you think Like? And people are like fuck. I think new wave got it Like people like fuck, cause they kind of had the bad guy energy. Yeah, like you know, luke Rivers, bodoni, like it was not a. You know, yeah, dorian, oliver, bro, they were, they were there to, they weren't there to fuck, you know. And so I feel, because you could hear it in the crowd I don't know if you got this watching over the internet when they announced that it was 27-27-27, a tie score across the three judges. That felt amazing, extremely unlikely, right. But you know things happen and I don't know the exact rules. But then you know we're not privy to this that the last match would be the deciding winning match and that happened to be Nicky Rod and Luke Griffiths, right? So you're like man for them to then go. So B team wins.
Speaker 1:There was no other explanation of the rules. There was nothing else. Craig pretty much bounced and it was like they win and New Wave was like what. And the sound from the audience was like what. It wasn't woo, it was literally disbelief. Wow, the energy went out of the stadium and people just started to fucking leave, like it was. Wow, it was, it was. It was overwhelming sense of Everyone thought it was going to be a new wave.
Speaker 1:It was Seemed rigged. Yeah, and even though when you go back you look at the rules, you do the scoring whatever you know. Yeah, I mean, you can't the rules, you do the scoring whatever you know. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine that they could have rigged that scoring? No, I don't know, Couldn't have, right, I couldn't say that. But the fear, like this is the thing, right, yeah, it doesn't matter really.
Speaker 1:What happened, the crowd's impression. The crowd's impression was like, oh, craig got his boys paid, because I don't know if you saw this at home they did this big thing about Simple man Martial Arts possibly the worst rebrand of all time where they said goodbye to B-Team, it's the end of an era. And it was this whole. It was like an ad for the gym in Austin, the rebrand of B-Team, and maybe that's just Craig's way of trying to help the gym out because he's not associated anymore. But that whole feeling was like, well, there's, there's, you know, a bias here.
Speaker 1:And then I didn't pay attention after that Cause we went out on the town. I went out with Jack, we met up with some of his mates. We we caught up with uh, you know, um, fucking shooting some dice in some casino somewhere. You know I didn't pay attention to social media for 12 hours. At least Get back online.
Speaker 1:New Wave has been awarded a million dollars. I was like, oh my God, they must have coughed some fucking hectic backlash for that to happen. Right, yeah, you're like, wow, yeah, I mean Craig's was that. The whoever's given the money felt was like no, they deserve. Yeah. But then, upon review, it got withdrawn. Oh my god, just controversy, the offer was rescinded.
Speaker 1:Controversy after controversy, which you can't help but feel like, because gordon was just trolling so hard over that, yeah, that that it like ignited craig to be like I'm to find a way to get this money taken back. I don't know and and look, I like I said, whatever you feel, whether you feel B team one or new, I'm just going off like the, the 15 or 20 people were sitting around. We were kind of shocked at the result. Yeah, wow. So I don't know. You know, like I.
Speaker 1:This is, this is the difficulty, the high that was generated, like Tackett Rotolo as one of the greatest matches of all time in Nogi, and the excitement and even just the closure. You get where, okay, nikki Rod's the million dollar man, yeah, and um, cade is the million dollar man, you know regardless. Um, cade is the million dollar man. You know, regardless of what you thought of each individual match. Hulk submitting fucking Joseph Chan. There was amazing moments. There was so many highlights. I mean, for me, I was obviously on the Levi train Levi breaking Ty's leg, you know, seeing Levi go for leg locks. Lucas Canard on Victor Hugo, him taking Hulk's back, yeah, there was amazing moments. There's huge moments in there, right, there was amazing moments, there's huge moments in there, right, and there was submissions in CJI 2, but there wasn't the same feeling Like I think everyone came out of CJI 1 being like this is the next step in grappling, this is the evolution, this is what entertainment grappling can be, and the format of CJI 2gi2, unfortunately, was not that and the result even took more shine off that.
Speaker 1:So, which is tough? Yeah, I mean yeah, and you know, I think we're very, we're very spoiled by the first one. I think there was a curse. I think it was a curse having such a good first event, because it's like a sequel, right, it's very difficult. It's just never going to be as good as the original, maybe. And I'm not saying this to hate on, I'm not hating on Craig in saying this, no, no, no, I'm literally just giving you the, having been there and experienced it. Yeah, what Craig has done to make this thing and get people paid and have it all happen is remarkable. It has changed the landscape of grappling. So I'm not saying this to speak bad about Craig, which I think you know.
Speaker 1:It makes no sense to do that. It's just like you say, it's so tough to follow up, tough, and they and they had a crack at doing something new again, different, right, and and. And it could have just as easily been come off and be like, oh, my God, that was even even better, yeah, even better, right, or totally different, you know, like, so you gotta, you gotta respect. Like, how, we're gonna do a fucking different format this time. Um, do you think there will be a cji3? Um, nothing like this. I don't, I don't think so. Um, I?
Speaker 1:When, when I saw the message that new wave would get a million bucks, I was like, oh, they're going to go for a third, cause you've got to keep John good, you've got to keep all those competitors on board for this. And then when they said no, I was like, no, I don't think so. I killed the way of participation, which is a big piece of the puzzle. So, yeah, I don't I. So yeah, I don't I.
Speaker 1:I couldn't say for sure, but I think what we're going to see now is there will be other emulations of this style of event and you know, you never know you might see craig be involved with other events. You know, I think he might become the uh promoter extraordinaire for for other events, because maybe he just doesn't want all the drama that comes with having to organize your own event, you know. So I think you might see him involved with ADCC again, but helping make it better, you know like, or whatever it might be Like. I think it's just such a tough thing to put on one person and there were many aspects that were successful, but it's it's hard to think, with all the outcomes that occurred, that the money at the time and the effort would be replicated. I don't think so. Yeah, right, well, we'll fucking spoil to see that many epic grapplers.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure, and I was very, very grateful to be there. Obviously sad to not have you there, joe, to have your own conclusions, but, um, but no man, I, I think it was. I I felt like I had to be there because there wasn't going to be another one, and, and I and I I felt like I made the right decision to be there because it was, it was a great experience, regardless of outcome. Yeah, I definitely got a bit of FOMO seeing you guys there that day and the videos that ensued and later that, and I was like, fuck, yeah, it would have been fun to be in Vegas for that day. Yeah, but, uh, but it's all right.
Speaker 1:There will be more events. I think like many great inventions, they spawn other great inventions and this is the best step that's ever happened in grappling in the last 10, 15 years and this has enabled more athletes to get more pay. The standard has been lifted. So if this means that other better things happen, then you cannot take away the importance of this event and what it's done for jujitsu. There it is. Folks Love it or hate it. Cji legendary Bye, legendary.
