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The Downfall Of Gym Etiquette

JT & Joey Season 6 Episode 521

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SPEAKER_00:

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SPEAKER_01:

Brother, society is crumbling, and you want to know what the number one indicator of a crumbling society is, do tell. It's poor gym etiquette. Oh, snap. The gym is at the forefront. The gym is the canary in the coal mine, if you will.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

Of uh of how a society is doing. And when when uh decorum starts to fall apart at the gym, that lets you know that that we're on the slide here. Oof, all right. I had a I had a run-in with a with a bloke the other day. You know what? I thought it's important we have this conversation because we're pushing people to gyms. Yeah, we encourage it. We encourage it, right? And uh and gyms are a great place. Um can be. Can be, can be, yeah, yeah. You know, find everything, can't you? Mixed results. Um, but as you would experience in day-to-day life, uh, I'm sure, and I'm I'm hoping I'm sure the listeners would would vibe with this, people are losing their ability to sort of socialize with strangers.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the social interaction, as much as we love technology, we have started to lose certain skills. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and you look at you look at the younger generations, they're just not particularly good at talking. I I mean I I find it quite interesting to see, like, I I love seeing the I love seeing the younger generation at the gym. You particularly see big crews of young, young boys. Oh, yeah, or young men, which is great. The odd thing though is that they're all wearing their headphones, and you're like, why are you guys wearing headphones? Like, I thought you'd be talking to each other. Anyway, that's an aside. What I wanted to get at here was people need to know if they're gonna go to the gym, there's a bit of etiquette to follow. And if we're trying to help people to build their bodies for jujitsu, but to also like be good contributing members of society and that micro gym society, yes, there's a couple of bits of etiquette you need to be aware of.

SPEAKER_00:

It's true. Similar to a BJJ gym, you can add or subtract from the culture, right? And so you you may not know that you are necessarily being a good contributing member, or maybe you're being a jerk. That's exactly right. We've got to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and sometimes you might just be contributing to a uh uh like a bit of a jerky culture without having that intention, right? Yeah. So I'll tell you where this exchange came from. Oh, do tell. So on the days when I work from home, I go to a globo gym near my place. Big fucking shiny joint. It's like a health club. It's like a it's like a it's like a a working class health club. So it's not super expensive, but it has a sauna and a steam room and a shitty pool. And and tennis courts. The oldies love the tennis courts. Anyway, so I go to the gym there, and you know, most of the people in the gym there, I judge the shit out of them. Why not? Naturally, right? Don't don't we all? Yeah, I'm just like, you don't know what you're doing. You no, no, you don't know, you don't know. But every now and again, I'm like, oh potential, oh, someone's doing something here. Oh, that's a nice back squat. Yeah, oh shit, look at look at that woman's chin up. Wow, that was full range of motion. So, you know, you sit these things stand out to you, and there's a bloke, uh, um uh what would I say, like an like an older fella, middle age. He's probably, I mean, the funny thing is he's probably only about our age. But he just looks old, lived harder. Yeah, and I just think I'm younger. I always think I'm younger than I am. You might even be younger than Joey. Yeah, that's right. Continue. But I I reckon he's probably he's probably in his early 50s, um, which is not my age, to be clear, and uh, or JT's even. And um he uh with the fucking same age, yeah. Joey's just like, I'm clearly years younger than JT's like what I would say. What do you want me to tell you? Please continue. Um, but he's you know, so he's uh so he's not a gentleman, and he he always comes in and uh I notice him because he's because he's big, he looks like he's been lifting weights in a garage gym forever.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

And he's always on the squat racks. Yeah, nice. And he benches and he deads, um, and he and he does some rowing and he's he's usually doing good stuff and he takes his time and you know he's he lifts heavy weight and he takes long rest periods. Yep. Now that instantly stands out in a globo gym. Sure. Because most people don't do that, right? Right. They're not doing they're not doing a lot of barbell stuff, and if they do, they're not particularly good at it. You can see that they're not particularly, they've never been coached, and they're definitely not pushing much weight or taking long rest periods. So he stands out to me, and I've always I've always been like, ah, it's it's old mate. Yeah, I like this guy. But he's very um, he's very like I'm you know, I try to make eyes and give an acknowledgement, he's never up for it. I'm like, that's fine, whatever. Anyways, um, I was he was there the other day, and he was in the squat rack next to me, and I was doing, I think I was doing some weighted chins, and uh he was there with what appeared to be his son. Sure. Right, and he him and he and his son were benching together, and I was like, Oh, that's fucking cool, you know. That's nice. Son looks like he's probably about you know 15 or something like that. Yep. And um I'm I'm building up my sets, and I'm you know, my the the squat rack that I'm in, it's you know, it's like a like a classic kind of, it's got like weights stored on the side, and then there's three squat racks, and they all have weights stored on the side, and it's a fucking mess, right? Yeah, no one's looking after it. And um he comes over. Maybe I maybe I'd started benching at this point, and he comes over and um grabs weights off my squat rack, right? Right, and he'd done it, I think he'd done it once before, and I was like, I gotta mention to him that that I that's not cool. I'm using that. Yeah, I'm gonna use that, right? Yeah, and um he came over and he, I'm just trying to recall here. He grabbed, he grabbed the weight, he took it back, and then and I think he had headphones in or idea. And anyway, I called him on his next rest period. Yep. He came over to grab another thing or something, and I was like, hey man, I was like, um you you look like you got some like gym experience. Like, where where have you done your training at?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And uh I'm trying to give him some props, you know. And he's like, and he's like, oh, here, like I've always I've always trained here, and I was like, oh no shit. And I was like, oh, I've I've seen you lift and like you've got you know good technique. And so he's like, Oh yeah, thanks, you know, try to try to do the thing and you know, try to be consistent, whatever. And we had a little kind of nothing exchange about, you know, the gym and whatever. Sure. And I said, um, hey man, I um uh, you know, just from an etiquette point of view, like where I where I usually train, um, I would always ask someone if I was gonna take if I was gonna take weights from the the rack that they're using. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, oh yeah. He said, um, he said, oh yeah, he said, yeah, for for us here, it's just kind of fair game. It's a bit of a mess. So any weights are fair game. So he he blatantly like knocked back my attempt to block. Yeah. Block. It was a it was he was just like, yeah, no, that's not how I fuck. I don't care. And I was like, oh fuck this cunt. So I'm like, where do I go with this? And I said, Well, you know what, man? I said, I'll give you my assurance, I'll never come and take any weights off your squat rack while you're using it. I'll always ask. And he said, and I'll never come and interrupt you when you're in the middle of a set.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah, what an edge.

SPEAKER_01:

And I was like, fuck, gotta, gotta pay props. He, you know, whatever, he managed that well, and he kind of he he was like, Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not playing that game. But but you know, but he but he he stayed in the pocket and we had the exchange and it was done.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, and uh and I you know I haven't seen him since, but I'll say good day and and whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

But it made me think uh fucking black mark against that guy. He's on the fucking if I see him, if I go to the gym with you, Joey, and I see him, I'll take the weights off his fucking barbell. I'll take the weights off one side of his fucking barbell for the game. And if he wants to have a disagreement about it, it's gonna turn into BJJ World Television. I fucking tell you, man, that is rude. Fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_01:

So, you know, so you know, whatever. I thought he I thought he handled himself well. I gotta I gotta respect it. And um, but I've had conversations with a few young blokes there, sure. Where it's usually they're they got their earphones on, they're kind of not thinking, and they come and grab weights. Sure. And I usually have to follow them back to their thing because they're like running off with the weights and they can't hear you. Yes. So you gotta kind of get in front of their eyes, and then they're like, oh hey, man, you're like, oh hey, brother, next time you want the thing, just ask me because I might need to use that. And then and I've found that they've always been receptive. Oh, yeah, no worries, man. You know, they're they're cool about it. But these these young blokes and some old blokes, no one's ever taught them, hey man, there's a system here, you know, and this system is we uh we kind of look out for each other and we're we're in this environment together. Sure. And so I thought, well, maybe we could just have a very general discussion about what are what are some of those points of etiquette that are important to maintain the kind of culture one wants to train in, a productive environment for all of the people in there.

SPEAKER_00:

I think something that I have learnt relevant to that, the first point, is a degree of acknowledgement. I think that's important. I don't, I don't, I don't, it doesn't matter if it's BJJ or uh, you know, lifting gym or in any social situation, even if you don't really like the person or whatever, just as a as a basic form of respect, just acknowledge someone. Like that, I feel that's important. And I mean, you may have experienced this, Joe, with when you're driving, you know, you let you let someone in. It's just a small thing. We do it here in Australia, you know, wherever you are in the world, it's we do it in a very minimal, you know, like you don't even lift your hand, you don't even necessarily wave, you just give the little or a little nod, or it's sometimes people will lift their hand up, you know. You can flash your hazards. Yeah, hey, you go, let you in, you know. And what's so funny about the acknowledgement piece is you're trying to, it's just a gesture of goodwill. But me when I'm driving, and I'm generally caffeinated when I'm driving because I'm going to the gym or I'm trying to get something done. I can go from polite, good, good person. If I let you in and be like, yeah, you go, no acknowledgement, I'm gonna fucking murder you. Yeah, I go from polite to homicidal maniac. So quick, bro. Like I will wipe, I will Kaiser Sosa your entire bloodline. Your whole family is gone. And and I guess it's not quite like that in the gym, but I you know, I train at a gym where there I am the lowest rung, right? There is some big dogs in there, and they're so friendly. And they they will often say to me, I feel like I'm the white belt, right? Oh man, you using that? I'm like, nah, dude, like you take whatever you want. Like, I'm just trying to not get in the way here. And so I think also learning that from other like black belts and world champions, like there's a degree of it's not even humility, it's just basic level respect to say, oh hey man, like, are you using that or can I put that? You know, it's very, very simple. And then so basic. It is very basic. It's basic humanity, I would argue. It is, and this is what you're saying, Joe, the crumbling of society, it's showing up in the gym.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and you know, like not even not even being ironic or funny about it. I I was reading a book um uh earlier this year. It's a small thing on like tyranny, like the nine, twelve, something, yeah, 12 kind of small chapters on tyranny. And one of the things is like it's like 12 things you can do to stop tyranny. And one of the things is like make eye contact with your neighbors, say hello to people, like be part of the community. Don't don't shut yourself off from the people that are around you because that that is a layer that once removed, it's easier for then whatever. It's easy for tyrannical, yeah, right? For seg yeah, for you to become isolated, for tyrannical elements to take advantage of that, etc. But so I'm you know, and I'm all about that. But it's like, yeah, it's like fucking make like if you make make some eye contact, hey, hey, what's up, or eyebrows, or you know, yeah. Just but simple. Whereas like in that gym, people are so bad at it. And it's not, it's not them. Like, I'm sure they're great at it in other cultures.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a byproduct of it being a more selfish environment that people are not giving a fuck about each other. Do you think that's what it is?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I do. I think it's well, I think the culture is sort of dictated from um from the top in a way. And what I could say I observe there is that the sort of PTs who work there, in a way, even though if you're not doing PT, you don't have anything to do with them, they are kind of the leaders of that gym, right? They they walk around, they got the uniform. If you have a question, you might ask them. Sure. Um, and they don't say hello.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

They don't set any kind of tone of like, oh, we say hi, oh, hey, what's up, man? Good to see you. You know, hey, dude. Like, there's none of that. And so, because they're all they're all equally fearful, like the regular citizens in there, of fucking making eye contact and saying hi to a stranger, you know? And then sometimes you you like uh like I've broken ice with a bunch of them, but still they freeze over again the next time. You're like, man, we had a fucking conversation last time. Like we can say hi now.

SPEAKER_00:

It's okay, you know?

SPEAKER_01:

We're cool. But I but I really do feel like that's a thing because I I think about like this gym or you like Jung Brothers, or you think about any jujitsu academy that's pretty social. You know, once it's clearly established that oh, we say hi to each other here because we're all kind of friends, yeah, then that's just what happens. Yeah, it's friendly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's it's not it doesn't take a lot to maintain that. No, it's it's lower, I think it's lower friction than people think. Um and and look, you know, it it makes the overall experience nicer, right? Like I accidentally got into a conversation with a fella who you know, and I you know, I try to keep things pretty surface level because I'm trying to get my workout done, but I I do believe, you know, you'd be be nice to people in the gym. And I didn't want a spot from this guy, um, but this guy he he really wanted to give me a spot, and so I was like, Oh, well, I don't want to be a he wanted to because you're basically like, Oh, you want a spot? And I was like, Oh yeah, like go on, you know, and then he proceeded to tell me his life story. Like, I was like, This guy has cooked my work out. We are 30 minutes later, and he's like, Yeah, mate, and then the crane collapsed, and this guy died, and I was like, Whoa, bro, like it's like that's not what I meant, but you know, whatever. Like, we are now familiar, but I also now know from that exchange to just minimize the exchange, yeah. And I think this is another good thing of getting to know the people around you, whether it's in the gym, uh, you know, at BJJ, in your um neck of the woods, your neighborhood, you also know, like, oh, stay away from that guy. Like, right, you know, just be like, hey, yeah, I don't want to hear about what happened at at your fucking psychologist meeting. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, you you also get to that's a and I think that that's a social nuance too, with the exchange. If you never have the exchange, you also don't know who the fucking psychos are.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, like acknowledging someone is also clocking them. Yes, isn't it? Yeah. And I do, I really do feel from a, and this isn't in the gym, this is on the streets, but from that personal security standpoint, yeah, and I teach this to my kids, is like when you look someone in the eyes and you and you say hi or you acknowledge them, that also lets them know that you're now they're now on your radar.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And that puts you in a safer position versus you pretending they're not there if that person were to be a predator.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that makes you like an easier target.

SPEAKER_00:

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SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean that's that's the whole part of it, right? Like, is that just like that lack of it's our greatest fucking privilege that we can be oblivious to our environment. Yes, the fact that you can just so safe, yeah. And any motherfucker that's traveled to Rio, yes, no one's doing that. Or South America or no one's walking around fucking Rio with their headphones on, right? No, no one's walking around just yapping on their phone like with their fucking AirPods because motherfucker, some kid on a bike will pull up and put a gun to your head and take that shit. Yeah. And it's like it's like it's great that we don't have to deal with that, you know. Sure. There's no kids on bikes here in Sydney with the with the pistol, but it's like there's still something, like it's not, it's not just like the fact that you don't have to do that doesn't make life better. It actually makes it worse because you do just isolate yourself from the whole shit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's like having the lower stressor means you lose the muscles of those muscles you need to work to to function in an interactive society.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, spot on. And we all know this, like like say I have this at the gym regularly, at that gym, whereby you see someone that you don't know, like you've seen around there, but you've you've never connected with them, and you make an instant judgment of them, right? You see it, you'll be like, Oh, this guy looks like a fuckwit. Or she looks she looks friendly, or whatever. She looks friendly. And then and then vice versa. They and then you connect at some point, you have an exchange, and then you're like, oh, person's a legend. Cool. Like your your perception and then it totally changes, and it's just like I think that's the importance of the acknowledgement, right? And just allowing yourself to be available to just meet a stranger. Yeah. I I think the biggest before you fucking single cunts, Jesus Christ. The gym is a fucking great place to meet someone if you're looking for a romantic partner. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know so everyone's using apps and shit. It's like, motherfuckers, there's people out there on the street that are like could be the person that you would love to spend the rest of your life with. Why not just make yourself available to it at the very least?

SPEAKER_00:

I think the challenge in the current gym environment for you out there, if you've if you're not someone who uses a gym regularly, if that's not your thing, but you through any kind of advice or motivation, you've gone, you know what, I'm gonna join a gym, I'm gonna start training. The game has changed a little bit in terms of you know, people filming themselves and you know, like, you know, as you could have a gym crash, but you oh, do I talk to them? Like, don't want to harass them, you know, like there's there's these these social dynamics, but I think what we want to get to here, you know go borrow weights off their rack and say, Oh, I'm so do you mind if I borrow this?

SPEAKER_01:

Like it's a fucking in, dude.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, oh, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, be polite. Yeah, can I press this button on your treadmill real quick? Do you mind?

SPEAKER_00:

You need incline there? No. But but I think that yeah, it it has changed over time. But what has I guess, you know, what informs this chat for you, Joe, being having been a trainer, spent so many years in different gyms, being a gym owner, and the culture that you guys have raised and built here is a culture of community. And I think that's what makes uh Jungle Brothers and Jungle Botany and the whole jungle philosophy strong, is it's about people interacting with each other. And so through the training, you you kind of force people to interact, but then it it's nice that very organically people go, Oh, let's go for coffee and let's this and let's that. And I think good gyms do do that. But let's maybe get to what is going to be a good short guide for people who are not used to this alien gym environment. What are the what are the things we feel that um people should just be aware of to be a good gym participant?

SPEAKER_01:

All right, well, like it's we kind of like just rapid fire. I think um acknowledg those around you and make yourself available to connect with someone. Yep. Right? Okay, what's going on? Handshake, boom, whatever you like. Um be like be tidy and like put your shit away.

SPEAKER_00:

See, that's a putting the weights away is actually a lost art. Oh now, I'm a I'm a trainer, so I have always put the weights back.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And even though I don't feel like I should, because I'm not being paid, I'm just in some random gym. I habitually do, I can't like if the rack is there and there's like a bunch of 20s on the floor, I'm like, fuck no. Like I'm gonna I gotta put it there. Like it's just so it's so ingrained in me.

SPEAKER_01:

If we're if if we're working in the kitchen together and we're trying to cook up a storm, you're making your and I'm and it's like all the knives go there, the bowls are there, we keep the the bench spaces clear. Yeah, yeah. There's a system, right, to being productive and making a nice meal. Same shit in the gym. Yeah, you wanna have good workout, shit need like if shit is where it's meant to be, then everyone's good and can get done what they need to. Flush the fucking toilet when you're finished.

SPEAKER_00:

Jesus. Oh yeah, there you go. How fucking simple is it? It's just that I I think this is honestly a breakdown in the communication because people are not taught, you know, like it's oh it's a 24 gym, 24-hour gym, people come in at random times, people are not taught to care for the thing, therefore they don't know what they don't know. You know, and I'm not I'm not hating on someone who doesn't who's never been taught, but you know, if we think about other things in life, whether it's put your shoes in the shoe rack or whatever the fuck it is that you've learned in your life, the gym is just another facet of of life. And if you give it care and respect, it makes the place better. And so therefore, like bring that. Like, not it's not like oh you've got to re reorganize the whole gym, but yeah, you know, like you see some litter on the ground, chuck it in the bin. You know what I mean? Like you didn't put it there, but it's better that you do the good thing, right? Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

And so I treat it like it's your own joint, yeah, exactly. Or or maybe treat it like it's nicer than your joint because some people are probably fucking slobs. Possibly, and so yeah, put the weights back. What's next? Oh fucking, do I got any more? You know, really, I I think that's kind of it. Like, is just be be like a functioning contributor to this micro environment. Yeah, that's really what I think that would change it a lot for folks, yeah. And it and it and it allows you also to to cultivate your own comfort there. Because a lot of people go to the gym being nervous and like, and that's totally normal. But so once you know a few people, you can say some G'days, you're like, oh fuck, I'm actually like it's cool here, I got nothing to be scared of. And I think that's a that's a nice state to train in.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. And I I mean, for me, I always the thing that I've learned from a young age, because I I used to get I used to get bullied when I was a little kid, so I had to like come up with some survival methods, and I was always the least dangerous person in the room, I was always the kind of uh patsy or the punching bag. But what I realized is if you make friends with the craziest person in the room, it makes you safer. So I would always identify who is the fucking maniac. Because if at least if you're on good terms with the maniac, they may not attack you first. I'm not saying you're completely safe, but you know, there's an element to that. So I used to clock this social dynamic. I'd go into any room and be like, who's the most dangerous person here? Just be on their good side. You know what I mean? Like, as and that that was a survival mechanism from childhood. Whereas now I am usually the most dangerous person in the room, but uh, I try not to let that creep into my thoughts too much. You know that meme where the guy's in the corner and the the party's gone, they don't even know I'm a black belt in two martial arts and I can deadlift over 200 kilos. Uh it's not, you know, it's not like that. But for sure, what you're saying with the familiarity of of you being friendly and putting that energy out there, I think there's a lot to that to make it a a just a nicer experience for for everybody. Yeah. And and I think what is really good about this, because you might be saying to yourself, yeah, but when I go to the gym, everyone's like a jerk to me. Why should I be nice? You know, like I don't want to be the soft target or what you know what I mean. Like everybody just doesn't interact at my gym. And and in that way, I would say, well, you need to go to a different gym. But you doing a good thing gives permission to other people to do a good thing. Like I solidly believe that. And even if you think no one's watching, someone's fucking watching. Yeah. So when you put the weights back, that actually implants the idea in someone's mind, like I should put the weights back.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

When you're just like nice and friendly, that that puts it out there that that's that's a way to be. And so you can actually change the culture of the gym you train at, the jujitsu gym, anything, just by being that that good example. I believe that. All right, y'all, stay good, be the change you want to see in the world. Shoo

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