It's Over For Bradley Martyn

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Chapters

• 0:00 The Photo That Sparked It
• 2:45 Who Nick Fuentes Is And Why It Matters
• 7:50 Charisma, Jokes, And Plausible Deniability
• 12:10 Can You “Just Have A Conversation”?
• 17:40 Audience Trading And Platform Responsibility
• 22:10 Normalizing Hate Through Helpful Clips
• 27:00 Ad Read: Electrolytes For BJJ
• 28:30 Desensitization And The Fast Food Of Ideas
• 33:20 Drawing Lines: Free Speech Vs Fascism

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Your favorite influencer, Bradley Martin, is a Nazi sympathizing piece of shit.

SPEAKER_00: 0:04

Oh, what?

SPEAKER_01: 0:06

And today we're gonna talk about why that's the case. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

God, the hot one. Joe coming through with the hot one. Tell me, Joe, why did you just say that?

SPEAKER_01: 0:18

So I okay, I'm gonna try and summarize this. So Bradley Munn, I didn't even know about him. I'd seen him in other natty or not, Nazi or not. He's a he I've seen him on other, you know, clips and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

So he's a but he's a he's a buff guy, big guy.

SPEAKER_01: 0:34

Yeah, huge dude, juiced up, whatever, looks great, you know, classic fitness influencer. That'll look good. But um, fucking huge platform, like so famous. 4 million plus followers. You know, he's got his podcasts and this whole thing. And uh, I saw a uh I saw a picture of him. A friend of mine shared it on Instagram. In I've been a little bit vocal about fucking having a problem with neo-Nazis. Yes. And uh I'm not a fan. And um, and you know, these these whatever scumbags seem to be gaining a little bit of traction within the current climate here in Australia and around the world. Anyway, a friend of mine posted a thing sort of calling this out, and it was a it was an Instagram picture of from Bradley Martin's account of him in the gym looking great with Nick Fuentes sitting on the bench. Who doesn't look like he works out at all and and yeah, and and does not, right? I mean, I've fucking listened to five plus hours of Nick Fuentes content over the last week. Oh no, my algorithm is fucked. Um but but it was you know it was necessary, right? And and and so I saw this photograph and I'm like, well, what the fuck's gonna go? I've seen that big dude before, and you know, I actually called my mate to just to have a chat about that thing generally. Because I was like, oh, good on you, man. And you know, he'd be like, yeah, fucking whatever, seen the light and have no tolerance for Nazis. But um I was like, I've got to look into this because that picture makes me understand that Bradley Martin is uh is a Nazi, right? Because because what I what I know of Nick Fuentes is that he's openly anti-Semitic, openly racist. Um, he declares himself an incel, which by by nature of that means you are misogynistic, i.e. you hate women, and oh, you believe that they should be subjugated. Um, you know, he's a cunt, right? Like he's a he's a total cunt.

SPEAKER_00: 2:20

But simply in Australian terms, he's a fucking cunt.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

He's a total cunt. He is a terrible cunt. And so I'm like, oh wow, Bradley Martin must be a cunt. I need to look deeper into this, right? Sure. Um, so I I I I looked into the post and I went to Bradley Martin's account, and it was like, um, I think the caption was something cool, like, uh, don't worry, guys, I challenged him. And I was like, okay, okay, cool. Let's find out. I wanna, yeah, I wanna, I wanna, I'm like, this is it, this is fascinating. So the backstory is, right? Nick Fuentes has a big following. Now, I'm gonna imagine that probably a portion of people here today are fans of his. Like, if you're listening to this, maybe you might be a fan of his. Or you you think he has some ideas that you are on board with. Yeah. Some. Yeah. Um, and you know, and and he has he has a huge following, right? Like he has a massive following. Um, and he he's a he's a he's a he's a far right wing political commentator in the US, kind of like a Ben Shapiro, but he makes Ben Shapiro look kind of moderate.

SPEAKER_00: 3:22

Yes, that's right. That's accurate.

SPEAKER_01: 3:23

And uh, you know, and he was like in this, I've fucking learned all this. He was in a war with Charlie Kirk. Yeah, his fans, the Groupers, it was called the Groper War of like whatever, 20 fucking 21 or some shit, where you know, basically, like these, you know, it's just groups on the right infighting.

SPEAKER_00: 3:39

You can be more extreme.

SPEAKER_01: 3:41

Yeah, who's more of a cunt? You know, who's basically who's more of a cunt to anyone that doesn't look exactly like me? Yeah, right. Um, and so I I listened to the podcast. So, you know, Bradley Martin's got this pod, and and you know, it's called Raw Talk, and you know, you've probably heard it, and it's it's a big show, and I had to listen to it. So, you know, we go on this journey fucking five plus hours. Because he did two two things with him. Now, I don't want to like uh I don't want to like spend the whole time. Yeah, I don't want to break this whole thing down, but essentially what what Bradley Martin did was he had a he had a conversation with a guy. Yes, and he brought up the the sticky topics, right?

SPEAKER_00: 4:24

I have listened to some of this chat. I couldn't do what Joe did. I only listened to some of it because I knew we were gonna have this chat, but he did well here he didn't challenge him. No, that's bullshit.

SPEAKER_01: 4:34

But he and here's what I'll here's what I'll um here's what I'll give Fuentes. He's a great talker. He's smart, smart, very charismatic, funny, like he is funny and like very easy to listen to, right? And what he what he does masterfully is he, and this is kind of from the playbook of folks along, you know, a lot of guys like him have come and gone over the years. Um, some make it to higher positions than others. But what he does is he he jokes about certain truths, so him things that he believes. Yeah. So he jokes about, you know, all of the Jews controlling the world. He jokes about women should not be allowed to vote. He jokes about like we should be able to breed with women in their prime at the age of 16. He jokes about things like that because when you joke about it, it's just a joke. It's just a joke. It's you have plausible deniability, right? So it's like, no, no, no, you you me you took that out of context. I have, I have a fucking, I have a harsh sense of humor, and my fans know that. And it was just, and and this isn't it's a masterful play, right? Because it allows you to say some really edgy shit. Yeah, and almost um it allows you to signal to those who share your beliefs while also being like, it's just a joke.

SPEAKER_00: 5:44

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01: 5:45

So Bradley Martin like was like, hey, but you know, you know, so I've seen some clips of you where you talk about, you know, you you hate the Jews. And you know, an example response is like, man, I don't hate the Jews. I'm a Catholic, I love everybody. But don't you think it's weird how the how the Jewish lobby, like don't you think it's weird how that, you know, if you look back in history, the Jews did this, like, and immediately starts sort of spouting racist, like racist takes on how the world works, right? So it's it's and and this is um this brings me to my first question, and because I I want to pick this apart with you. Sure. And the reason I want to have this, Chase, because like we have a platform, right?

SPEAKER_00: 6:29

Yeah, for sure. Now we're not we're not as big as Bradley Martin, but we are at least 20 times as smart and natty. So I mean, look, maybe I I I can't. No, Bradley Martin is a fucking dickhead, and he also, let's just put it in context, said he would beat Mighty Mouse in a fight because he's 240 pounds. Mighty Mouse takes his back in like five seconds, chokes him out. Like Bradley Martin is a fucking dickhead. So if you listen to his podcast regularly and you accidentally found this podcast, go back and start listening to him because you're only gonna get smarter listening here, and you, you know, you might get bigger muscles too. But Bradley Martin is a fucking dickhead. Let's be clear, he's an idiot.

SPEAKER_01: 7:14

Well, okay, so and not a good talker. Well, no, to to give him credit, no, you don't you don't build that kind of following, like he's not an idiot in all facets. Natty or not, okay. No, no, no, no, but you don't guy has ridden a wave, he has people around him. But you but to build a platform of that size, and no, that's not true. You have to have some smart.

SPEAKER_00: 7:35

No, he's not smart at all. No, but he has a lot of help.

SPEAKER_01: 7:38

No, because if we if we this is falling into the same thing that I believe a lot of guys like this do, is they distill it down to like it's a binary, it's like good versus it's like they're bad, we're good.

SPEAKER_00: 7:50

This is not good versus evil. We're delineating taste right now. If you're like Bradley Martin, good luck to you. You're a fucking idiot. He's also a fucking idiot. This is me talking. So I'm not trying to create polarization here. I'm saying you've got to look at the context of what this guy says on a regular basis. He doesn't share valuable information. Is he popular? Yes, many things are popular. It doesn't mean that informationally it's any good. But please get to your point.

SPEAKER_01: 8:20

So I think that like I think that Bradley Martin is following the same, the playbook of Joe Rogan. Of course. Right? And this is, and this is this is where we get to our first kind of fundamental question that I have around this, which is I'm just having a conversation. We there should be nothing against having a conversation. Freedom of speech, Joe, right? Freedom of speech. If if you think somebody has an idea that you disagree with, why can't we sit down in a room and have the conversation? Debates. Right? Let let the the what do they say, the marketplace of good ideas decide and the good ideas get like free market capitalism, the good ideas will float to the top and the shit ones will fall away, right? Now, I I agree with that statement in a in a theoretical term. I do agree with that. But if you platform a piece of shit, like if we if we were to agree, right? And I know we don't have to agree, not everyone listening has to agree, but if I if we're to agree, okay, Fuentes is a piece of shit, and I have a platform of four million Instagram followers and fucking, I don't know, a million podcast listeners a month, by me bringing him on him on my show, even if I'm going hard against him, it's a cosline. What am I, what does that, is there any responsibility on me? No, is it what is it like? Do I have responsibility because I'm now giving that person a platform? Now, part of me wants to be like, no man, Freemar, but in practicality, yes, you it does make you a piece of shit by proxy. Yeah, because if you bring that cunt on your show, you will give him another two million new followers. Yes. You will amplify his message. Yeah. And here's the other, here's the other part of this that's absurd is to think that, you know, a fitness Chad to take a term from the incel world is gonna have any chance challenging a guy like Nick Fuentes. No, it's like trying to challenge Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. These cunts make a living off dissecting people and talking over them and being just generally smarter and a couple of steps ahead. And just better at arguing. That's right. That's their whole shit. So it's like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen? Which then leads me to think, well, I don't think you're that much of a dumb cunt. I think you knew what was gonna happen. And I think you traded your audience for his. Yes. You went, this guy's a piece of shit, but he's got a big following.

SPEAKER_00: 10:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 10:48

I'll cop another million new followers if I I'll give him a million for a million.

SPEAKER_00: 10:52

Yes, sure.

SPEAKER_01: 10:53

And this is now I'm pretty certain, right? If we sat um fucking Bradley Martin down and like whatever, like put a gun to his head, he would declare, like, I'm not a racist, I'm not a misogynist. Like he would, if we were able to open him up and see and say, he's not. But the power of the new followers are like, I'll have that conversation. Sure. This is like this is this is this is him whoring as a content creator.

SPEAKER_00: 11:16

100%. It is a hundred percent clickbaity, it is sensacional, and basically, you know, Fuentes has been deplatformed on so many spots, but still he is popular because there is this world environment right now where people are getting away with a lot more hatred, and people are getting away with a lot more bullshit, and people are getting away with a lot more like racism and and misogyny, and therefore, this is ennobling and and and fanning the flame of some people who maybe they've got a little bit of hatred in their heart, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, I feel like that too. And they feel like, oh yeah, okay, this is acceptable. Well, actually, I think part of the reason why we're having this chat, Joe, is we find this unacceptable. And this is a little bit about accountability because whatever, we're not, you know, we're not popular like Bradley Martin, but then we're also not popular like Dr. Mike Isratel. Thank fucking God. Because there's a fucking line around like how you want to meet people, and it doesn't mean there's not crossover, right? But here's what I wanted to say just quickly Utel also got pinched for having some having the supremacist race racial science views. Yeah, you didn't I didn't actually fucking both barrels from a couple of from a couple of folks, yeah. Bro, I saw the dissection of his PhD. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01: 12:36

That was the first thing, and now this old video resurfaced of of him essentially saying that he believes in like 1700s race science and that some races are smarter than others, and it just so happens that the race that he's from is like the master race.

SPEAKER_00: 12:49

Uh of course. I mean, you couldn't possibly look as attractive as him and not be really smart.

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

Sometimes having a camera and a microphone on you all the time is fucking problematic.

SPEAKER_00: 13:01

Look, hey, I'm fully accountable. You you guys know me. I fucking keep it 100. I am a very flawed individual and I have very strong opinions. And here we are, we're having that chat. But here's a funny thing that I want to express as someone who was bullied as a young child. I grew up in a very tiny white-bred town in the Blue Mountains. I was the Asian kid. That's how white-bred my fucking school was. Because I got slightly, yeah, I got narrow eyes. Chinky China boy, I used to get discriminated against as the Asian kid. I was the I'm the whitest white kid there is. My my my dad is English, and apparently I I have like Anglo gene, my sister did a 23andMe, right? On a genetic level. I'm as white as it fucking gets. I'm 10% Nordic. Like I'm as white as I get. But people who have hatred and people who don't like you will find a way to discriminate. And so they would mock me and leave me out because they just wanted to make up a reason. So therefore, they decided racism was a good idea to discriminate against me. Or you're fat, or you're not good at sport, or your teeth are fucking crooked, or you know, some fucking reason to make you feel bad about yourself so they feel better, right? And so from a very young age, I experienced racism, which is hilarious, which made me really fucking hate it. And from a very young age, I'm like, it's not fair to treat someone poorly because you somehow have it in your head you're superior. But this is what I want to say about Fuentes, right? This is like you're saying, he's a smart guy. Nick Fuentes is horoscope in political science for uh disenfranchised white men. He literally takes generic truths and just misattributes all kinds of shit. He's like, you know what? The economy's not doing great, is it? And you know what I've noticed recently? A lot of illegal immigrants. A lot. A lot. And you know what? If you look at those jobs that we used to have 50 years ago, all the all the immigrants are doing. Where's our jobs? Where's our fucking you know, this kind of shit? He takes something which is super generic. You're like, like, do you are you are you like a a white guy who likes music? Well, let me tell you something about immigrants. You're like, what the fuck is this misattribution? Like, it is so generic. He takes something which is like, oh, I might agree with that, and then he just twists that into some unhinged, unfounded agenda.

SPEAKER_01: 15:35

Oh, he makes a great story out of it, yeah, and and simplifies, puts a packages up nicely, puts a bow in it for people that don't want to think too hard to go, that's the fucking that's it.

SPEAKER_00: 15:44

Yeah, I'm yep, I I'm with that. And the thing is, even if you don't agree with, you don't card blanch buy into everything he's saying, you might just relate to some of it. This is insidious. This kind of chips away at a person. They're like, oh yeah, like a few likes on Instagram. I might watch that podcast. I like Bradley Martin. Holy shit, Bradley Martin's cool with Nick Fuentes. Yeah. Oh, if he's cool with him, I'm cool with him. Yeah, maybe he's all right.

SPEAKER_01: 16:10

And it works. It's not as bad as people say, and it works like that in podcasts, right? Chip away, chip away. You you if you like the person whose show it is, yeah, and they have someone on and they get along, you kind of like that person. Well, it's a ball, it's a friend, it's a friend of ours, cool by association. Yeah, yeah. So, and so this is this brings me to a point like of where, and this is and this is some fucking simple shit. But all of these guys, right? All of these guys who say nasty shit, right? And um, you know, Ben Shapiro, he can eat a dick, Jordan Peterson. I would say he's in the same camp. They you can find Andrew Tate, same camp, yeah, you can find clips of them saying some really like helpful, like insightful, yeah, like opt like stuff. Like, yeah, insightful, right? Like, you know, listen to Andrew Tate talking about, I don't know, fucking uh why training is good because it gives you just you're like, yes, that's a message I can get behind. So these guys go out, they create content where say 92% of it is like really appealing to like anyone that's just trying to get better at life. And then, you know, 8% of it is that you know, telling you to fucking whatever, be a misogynist, go and rape women and and you know, fucking hate black people. It's like, and and this is what they do. And so I had an exchange with a with a friend on Instagram the other day who who doesn't he doesn't share, like I don't see much from him generally. You know, I don't see much in his stories. And he posted a story, and I started, I was like, oh, what's going on, what's going on with Old Mate? And I clicked on it and it was an Andrew Tate video. And I was like, oh, what we've got here, like I've got to fucking check this out, like posting Andrew Tate, what's going on? Yeah, and I'm I'm waiting for it. I'm like, is this a hit piece where someone's pulling it apart or what's going on? And it was Andrew Tate telling a story about you know a lesson his dad gave him about not judging people, right? Right, and uh I texted my mate and I'm like, hey bro, are you familiar with the guy whose content you shared? And he's like, Oh, Andrew Tate, yeah I am. Why? And I was like, you know, like um, oh no, he responded, yeah, yeah, I am. Are you talking about the thing where he got where he got arrested in Romania for the sex trafficking, slash making, etc. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the that's the thing. But I'm like, no more like this guy is probably responsible for making more young men hate women and probably driving us a big portion of those men towards like rape and sexual abuse than any man in our generation on this planet. And he was like, Oh, yeah, no, I wasn't, I wasn't really, you know, I'm not really familiar with that, but I liked the message in the video. Sure. And I kind of left it at that, but that like that that guy has children, right? Sure. One of which is a girl. And I'm like, look, respectfully, that guy's my friend, but I'm like, you're a fucking moron. You are a fucking moron. Like, you shared the content of this fucking cunt because you liked the message in that particular video. Like, like, I'm prepared to cut you a pass because you don't really have much of a following and whatever, but like this is how this shit works. This is how we amplify these people, right? There's a responsibility on us as like our small platform. There's a response, but there's a response, like when you share content, you're platforming at that point, and there's a responsibility on you to be somewhat fucking across the context of what it is you're sharing.

SPEAKER_00: 19:46

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SPEAKER_01: 23:58

This this brings up an interesting thing of like, you know, we shouldn't, we shouldn't shy away from like you might disagree with what we're saying, right? But yeah, I would say like don't let that ruin it. Like you might get some value from other shit that we say. So like we don't all have to agree with 100% of what our friends and and our media say, right? And this was this was a thing that I came to with this whole neo-Nazi thing in this country, where I was like, do I asked myself, and I had the conversation with me, so I was like, do these guys deserve a plat? Like, can they do they deserve to speak about their views um like everyone else in a society where free speech is like a fundamental part of that? But the difference is, right, is that fascism and and and Nazism being being an element of that or or or you know adjacent to that, it does not, it does, it cannot exist in a democracy. It is authoritative. It is when we get into power, we're gonna kill all the gays, all the colored people, all the migrants, all the fucking people we don't like, all of the political opponents, right? So when you declare yourself that you support an ideology and a person who is, you know, the leader or was the leader of that ideology, you are saying that you're not now, you're not gonna play by the rules. And so as soon as you cross that line, it's like, well, no, now you are in my mind a verified piece of shit. You could you could have an honest discussion with me about like why you think immigration is a problem, sure, or why you don't like the left, or why you think that the police should go harder on crime or whatever. Like, like all of those things are fine. But as soon as you cross that line into now, the Holocaust never happened, Hitler was a good guy, hey, there's some fucking, you know, the Jews are funny. It's like, no, now now you've you you are now incompatible with a with a functioning society.

SPEAKER_00: 25:59

You're like the guy who starts shadow boxing from clothes guard when rolling. You're that fucking retard. But hey Joe, look, I think we've got to be more empathetic, right? Because maybe we need to treat racists with with more kindness because they're they're stupid. You know, they're like like like like a disability. You know, like they should wish they should have their own bus. You know, they we gotta you know, we gotta we gotta it's a society, it's democratic, right? We gotta look after people. You know, maybe they have to have their own groups, they need a carer. Like, no, I don't like the the headscarf. It's okay. It's all right. You know, like it's maybe we need to have special areas for these people. You know, like show that people know, oh, there's the racists, all right. You know, smile, wave. It's like their people too, you know. Or what do you want for what do you want for uh lunch, Nick? No, oh, oh, oh look, kabs. Uh oh, there you go. That's a bit of diversity there, it's all right, you know. It's like that scene in Talladega Nights where um Ricky Bobby's having an argument with um Sasha Baron Collins' character, and uh and he's talking about like American culture not being very good at it. He's like, What's your favorite food? I like Chinese food. He's like, it's from China.

unknown: 27:18

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 27:19

And they're just trying, you know, trying to come up with these different things. And here is the hardest thing. We're from Australia. Like, I had I a little while ago, um, someone called us hypocrites because we were we had criticized um uh DDP um for calling himself the true African versus like uh Israel Pakistania, right? Yeah, and and they said, Yeah, but you think you're Australian and you're white. And I said, Look, we're all immigrants, unless you're indigenous, unless you're indigenous to Australia, like unless you're from indigenous bloodline, like everyone's an immigrant. Everyone. But there wasn't time in history when Irish people were discriminated against. You know, go back to like look at the film Gangs of New York, right? Yeah, I'm not saying it's the best historical reference, but the Irish were-the documentary, gangs of the documentary, you know, one of the greatest documentaries of all time. But the Irish were heckled and harangued and spat upon and hated because they were the immigrants. Yeah. And now it's like, no, no, no, they're the they're the white people now. It's acceptable. Yeah, yeah. You know, and and and and like the Italians and stuff. Yeah, and it's it's all these layers, right? And so here is the hardest thing about all of that. You know, you don't have to go get a 23andMe. You don't have to get your genes tested to realize that we've all come from somewhere else. And here is a crazy thing, Joe. I just want to share this with you. I learned it the other day, it's on this topic of racism, and we'll wrap this thing in a bow. If you're of European descent, which I I am, my dad's English, my mum's like whatever, fifth generation Australian, fucking somewhere out in Norway, some shit. I am more genetically akin to someone from Nigeria than someone from Nigeria is akin to Ethiopia. This is called, this is some crazy shit. Right. Wow. This is African genetic diversity. Because the oldest living people have like come from Africa. Yeah. Therefore, we all come from Africa. This is the idea. And some people say, no, that's a myth. It's a myth. It's like, just fucking get into the science. It's okay, you don't have to take my word for it. Sweet baby Jesus. I was gone. Yeah. What white Jesus is so funny, straight out of fucking Jerusalem, Egypt. That's the miracle. But but here's the thing, right? Like, I was my mind was blown because they're saying that there is such diversity within Africa from the original peoples, that someone could be from Ethiopia and be so on a DNA level, be so different to someone from Ghana or Nigeria or whatever. Yeah, wow. Compared to me. Yeah. Mr. White Guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so just consider that. Whatever you think about your privilege, your entitlements, or what's been taken from you, wherever you live in the world, if you think someone else is to blame, that's you can have that opinion. But the truth is, the great thing about immigrants, or the things that I have always admired about the idea of the immigrant mentality, is you just show the fuck up. And it doesn't matter if you speak the language or you got the money or it doesn't matter, you're just gonna make it happen. That's fucking awesome. Like making it happen is what it's all about. And taking ownership of doing something about what you don't like in the world is amazing, and that comes from people traveling across the world. The reason we have BJJ is people traveling across the world and sharing culture, and sharing culture is what makes the world better, you know? Otherwise, I'd be eating fucking scones and shit. I'd be overcooked roast lamb. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:54

Anyway, continue. I want to um, yeah, I mean, we should wrap this up because I'm not gonna go on, but I I don't want to uh I don't want to try and sway anyone's views, right? Like we do.

SPEAKER_00: 31:04

I do.

SPEAKER_01: 31:05

No, I don't I don't want to like if you're if you're more conservative in your politics, that's great. Um I'm more left, obviously. If you've listened to the show for a bit, you know, and JT as well. Um and that's fine, right? We don't all have to exist in the same spot there. But what I what I what I really think my message in this is like Bradley Martin's a piece of shit, right? That's that's the first one I said at the opening. But when you listen to to content, when you listen to someone speak, when you read a book, like when you consume content, it's not the words necessarily that someone says, it's the messaging behind the words. Yeah. So when when you listen to a guy like Fuentes and he's like, I am I am absolutely not racist. I I got a lot of black friends, I love black people. But I'll tell you this about the crime rate. And starts, and you're like the message is black people are criminals. The message is our city is more dangerous because of black people, right? Like, and this is where you need to be fucking somewhat discerning to just be able to go, uh, he's not saying it outright, but he's like he's saying it. He's light, right? Uh it's like if you if you ask a misogynist, like, do you hate women? They're gonna be like, I love women. Like my wife's a woman, my mother's a woman, I got a sister, you know, but then they fucking whatever, beat their beat their wife and and and have deep-seated views about how they think women are not on the same level as men and they're you know, they're fucking stupid and they're yappy and all that shit that you hear, you know, which is really um really like horrible kind of violence around women, right? Um so the second part is you gotta look at what the output of the discussion is. So if I take if I take that five hours of Bradley Martin and Nick Fuentes, what's the output of that discussion? My my interpretation of the output is a whole bunch of people are gonna go, fuck Nick Fuentes, actually pretty funny. He's actually a pretty cool guy. He's actually got some good shit to say.

SPEAKER_00: 33:02

He washed him, eh? Yep, he washed him a bit.

SPEAKER_01: 33:04

Yep. They're gonna go, they're not gonna think anything about Bradley Martin. They're going, yeah, yeah, he's cool. He's he's funny. They're gonna go, yeah, yeah, fuck, crime rate, black people, probably. Yeah, he was sp he had some numbers. I don't know. I don't have time to look into it, but probably it, yeah, Jewish people, yeah, sound like, you know, yep. They're gonna so these ideas, these racist ideas are gonna start to become propagated. Okay, yeah, propagated, right? And if you are not, you know, the fucking discerning type, then you're gonna be at the next fucking button. You're gonna say to mate, well, you know the fucking, you know the fucking Jews are behind. Like, you know, and this is how the shit starts to grow, right? Like you said before. So I think it's really important to consider, you gotta read between the lines, you got to be a discerning content consumer. You also got to understand that if you are producing content or you're even sharing someone's shit, is that there's an onus on you to fucking operate at a fucking certain level of ethics. And uh, it's clear to me that Bradley Martin has has not operated at this level of ethics, and he's done it knowingly so, and therefore is a Nazi sympathizer. Peace out.

SPEAKER_00: 34:11

Fuck that guy.