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What Is Barroom Brawl Jiu Jitsu

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Have you heard of B B J? What am I talking about? I'm talking about Barroom, Brawl, Jiu Jitsu. That's right. Apex grappling championship. It went down on the weekend. It was insane. It was all the best bits of like a wild WWE crazy super match with actual jujitsu. Three on three jujitsu. We gotta talk about this. Bro, that's uh that was a Sydney event? Uh where was it? I think it was in Queensland. Okay, cool. I could be wrong in saying that, but um somewhere in Australia. Let me have a quick little search here so I get the proper details. It was insane. If you didn't see it, because I they didn't live stream it, I believe. Right. That was the only complaint, but plenty of people were recording it on their phones, and I was just catching snippets like, oh my god, you know, like I felt like a kid again. Yeah. Like I was like, oh, this is so unpredictable and wild. It's like four on four, right? Three on three. Three on three. Okay. And then and then it's basically kind of whatever goes. So naturally each of the three competitors finds one another. Yep. So you kind of got three rolls going on in the alley. Yeah. But then you can, if you tap someone, then you can go and start double teaming some cat. Yeah. Or you can just straight double team someone straight out the gate. Yeah, like you can just fucking disregard that guy and go two-on-one, that dude. Yeah, and you're seeing a lot of two-on-one finishes, which was so brutal, man. Someone's getting heel hooked and armbarred at the same time. I love it for as a spectator. I love it. Oh my god. But I feel like it's a different kind of grappling. Because you know, there's often these debates about jujitsu doesn't work one to many, right? It's a it's a it's a we have allowed head stomps so we can finally find out. Trollley poles. No, I I've uh I fashioned a shank out of my Nike TN. Yeah. No, it's it's one of those things that when I first started doing Taekwondo back in the day, one of the first things our instructor taught us was you need to just if you have multiple people attacking, you have to just pick one. Yeah, you have to go at them and just basically beat the shit out of them and make them a human shield to be able to get out of the situation. Because like you've got to pick someone and just go at them a thousand percent. Right. You can't like try and Jackie Chan that shit. Yeah, you have you have to be very direct. And the criticisms I've heard from other martial arts, striking martial arts, is oh jujitsu one-on-one, but what if someone's punching in the back of the head? Whereas, you know, if you can kick and punch, you can do a variety of things, mate. I tell you what, Tito John Carl, he's coming at you. Team bloody grappling education, mate. It was rough town. For people that don't know Tito, like if you're an overseas listener, you probably haven't had the had the um had the joy of seeing Tito compete, but he's a local boy. But no, he actually recently won the European um uh heavyweight. I agree. Oh wow, okay, yeah. Yeah, like he's he's he's accredited, he's out there, but but still, right? You gotta you gotta have a finger on the pulse. Yeah, sure. But he is just a I mean, I've seen him grappling a few comps and I've watched his highlights on Instagram. He just looks, it's it looks like fun for him. The way he just rag dolls motherfuckers. Uh his he his thing is um the brother's milk submission, isn't it? Oh no, mother's milk. Mother's milk. Yeah, so that's the milkman. So that's his whole shit is get you in the kezikotami or whatever, and then just fucking and and he's he's he's on the shorter side and he's on the thicker side, and he knows how to fucking direct his weight perfectly through your rib cage and just compress the fuck out of you. But actually, one of the highlights I enjoyed watching of him the most was uh it was at a local no-gee comp where he came up aga, I think, against like three of the guys from Rob Whitaker's team. Oh, okay. So it was Rob Whitaker, and then I think it was Jacob and maybe Issi. Yep. Two of the other boys, three like very high-level MMA guys. Yep. Great wrestling, because they wrestle out at Western Sydney at Camden Valley Wrestling. And um, it was just this video of Tito just walking through all three of them. Oh, dude. And and a few other cunts that day in spectacular fashion. Oh my god. I remember seeing Tito as a 14-year-old at one of the first grappling industries, just bash grown men. And just, you know. And he he got this guy, he kind of had his back, and he just got his like forearm under the guy's neck. Like he couldn't choke the guy properly. He was and so he just hit him with the like Steiner recline, like the spinal crank. Oh wow, just got the hand. Like a like a gillatine from behind, yeah, and just arched the guy inside out. The guy's like just try to, and I was like, I said to him after, they're like, Tito, what the fuck was that? He's like, I don't know. There's some WWE shit. Just like just this young kid not caring. And now he's a grown-ass man. Yeah, he's a problem. So I I can't remember all the members of the team. I think you have four people in the team for it's Apex Submission League. Right on. That's the name of it. If you search in on Instagram searching on the internet, there are clips. And Bobby Sandu was on the team. Bobby was on the team, and I can't remember the two teams. It's like him and Tito are like um DeVito and Schwarzenegger in twins.

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Tito And The Milkman Highlights

Drafting A Four Person Fight Team

Injury Risk And Sustainability Questions

Sponsor Break Electrolytes And Hemp Gi

Viral Violence And The Ethics Problem

Where We Draw The Line

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But I mean, they are because of the contrast, still a little bit different, but like short and thick and then long and long and thin is Bobby. Yeah. Equally as devastating. Like the way that motherfucker finishes from the back, he can just body, he can just get to your back and body trigger, give you the body triangle of justice that you cannot get out of like that. Yeah, his back takes very good. Yeah. And they were decimating. And there was headbuts in there, someone got split, someone got cut. Because it's more, it's almost more like rugby in a way. Yeah. Because you might be behind. Yeah. You're trying to take this guy down in front of you, and then you get fucking side swiped. Yeah. And then you hit your your teammate and maybe crack your head. Like it's so much more, it feels more like to watch. I can't say feel, but through the camera, I felt like this feels more like a brawl. The level of chaos. It is absolutely it was not it was not like 1v1 times three. It was way more kind of crazy. And being in the pit, people up on the wall trying to jump on top. So it was that, you know, in wrestling, they like get up on the ropes and they jump and they slow, like there was more of that feel. Yeah. And honestly, it was fucking exciting. I was like, this could be a thing. Yeah, because what we saw from I saw a clip of Tito, I think it might have been on his Instagram, where he kind of like everyone's sort of engaged, it's like three individual things happening, and he just like grabs some guy and like runs him into the side and like flips him, but then just turns and fucking sprints for the other side and just rail, like just whack some dude from behind. Oh, bro. And then like he's down, someone jumps, and then he just turns and and so he obviously wasn't concerned about the geezers. Like, I'm just gonna throw this cunt and then I'm gonna go throw this cunt, and then I'm gonna come back and beat you. Like, you know what I mean? Just disabling people left right. It's not like you have to engage someone and stick with them. No, and the shoving is allowed, right? So that it's almost like a form of striking, yeah. Especially when you've got a fridge like Tito, just not it wasn't like I'm coming for the takedown, it was like running shove, yeah. Off balance that guy, okay, Bobby, you get on his back, I'll come back to this guy. Yeah, like man. So why do I want to talk about this? This is it's fun. And who would be your like three or four team members? I think there's four people to a team because maybe if someone gets injured or subbed out or something guys, you need to bring in fresh meat. Yeah, you need someone, you need fresh meat. Who's gonna be your four? Like if you're going to battle, you're going into that barroom brawl for jujitsu, and it's just rough house grappling. Do you know there's some people who are just they're not the most technical grappler, but they just bang. I think it's definitely one of those cases where like you don't maybe I'm wrong as I'm saying it, but here's what I'm thinking. You don't want the like the highly intellectual jujitsu technician. You want the guy or the girl that's got the dog in them. Oh, hundreds. You just want someone that's gonna go ravenous and just start putting hurt on people. Yeah. You don't want someone that's like entering their leg entanglement and like countering their shit and off bat, you know, doing all the shit. It's just like, mate, hurt people, and then when the opportunity is right, you can tap, you know, try break something. Give me the injury machine. Yeah. You know, the the the one who's always bumping into other people. That's that's the person you need. Yeah, whoever that is. You want like the ex rugby player that's now three-striped blue belt, yes, still mid-20s, 100%, you know, and just knows how to body people. Yep. I would, I would definitely, I would uh one of my picks would be Eric Dobek. I'd just say just flying triangle everyone, Eric. Yeah, and in the process, I think because he's so long, he would just take people out. Yeah. Eric Eric is a um, he's he's a training partner of ours advantage. He's uh an elite level Estonian athlete. Yeah, he would ask a national team, but five Euro league. But he's clearly just an elite athlete in whatever sport he chooses to play. Mate, he will dunk on you in multiple ways. So I I think the ri I want to have this chat because I'm like, who who do you pick? Like, if you if you it's not as simple as like, you know how people have fantasy football and they just pick, oh, this guy's good at that, good at that, blah blah blah. Fuck I mean, it's like yeah, well, whatever. If you're into it, you're into it. Well, no, I don't, I don't partake, but I think you could start an awesome, like barroom, brawl, jujitsu league. And I mean, that's this kind of what Apex is trying to do, right? So um grappling education team won the belts, yeah. But I feel like the only shortcoming of this format is that you're gonna chew through people very quickly, you know? Yeah, so I was I was having a thing. Can we talk about that? Please. I was thinking about that. I was like, I really love these highlights that I'm seeing, but I'm like, I just think this is totally unsustainable for the for jujitsu. And then I was like, well, actually, it's sustainability is built on the amount of young blokes, sure, really, who are just prepared to put their body on the line. Yeah. And the more I think about it, the more I think, well, the jujitsu culture is actually pushing in that direction anyway, right? It is like let it snap, let it break, keep going. Like we just that part of our culture has only gotten worse as time goes on and as there's more prize money and more social media clout to be had. Yes. And um, and I'm not throwing shade at that, right? Like, like you get your guys like, I'm here for it. You get your clout how you get it. But you know, we think about like Adam Jones's event. Oh, scrap mats scrapmatz the same kind of thing, right? And so you're like, well, if there's if there's people out there that are like, yo, I'm I'm happy to sacrifice an ACL for this, then it's like, well, fuck so be it. Because I just I can't imagine that like the injury rates in this type of event have to be significantly greater than what we see in regular one-to-one jiu-jitsu. Definitely. I think you're seeing more like rugby level injuries, like head clashes. And there was like um I don't remember his name. I know. I mean, there was a dude getting leg locked and arm barred at the same time. I think more than once. And he couldn't and he couldn't tap the referee. And the ref was there. I think there were two refs or maybe three, but you're like, it's only a microsecond delay and and everything's breaking. Yeah, um and late. Yeah, yeah. You may not walk out of there. Like, I think that's that's what you gotta factor in. 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Well, we've seen it from the Russians, right? Yeah, you we all have those Russians fucking those weird fucking MMA events with teams where they got like some big obese guy versus like two two midget twins or something, sure people twins, yes, and you're like, where the fuck do they come up with this sideshow? I'm here for it. Love shoes. You don't you don't stop watching until someone gets knocked out. That's true. And then, but then I've seen almost and it's pretty brutal, which is like team MMA parkour. So they have like white team versus red team. Yeah, this is fucking real, and it's like a MMA fight, but like a battle. There's like 10 dudes on each team, and they've also got to get to the top and claim the flag. No, so you've got guys climbing and fighting, and dude falls and lands on another dude, like from a height. It is rough. You're like, only in Russia or maybe China. Yeah, yeah. So okay, yeah. So then so here's where my next thought goes with this. Um, and this this I've been thinking this with power slap and with it was the the uh Jimmy, Jimmy DX. Shout out, Jimmy, um, from uh your mate Jimmy. Jimmy, uh Blue Mountains. He he's a very fit, strong fella, does Sambo, does combat jujitsu. Oh, he was the other member of the team. Well, no, no, no. So he I saw a clip of him getting like head clashed and bleeding. Okay, nice. Yeah, fuck yeah. So yeah. I mean, he's he's good for that. But uh, I was just trying to think of the name of the person. But yeah, so I had this thought when power slap became a thing. Yes. And then the run it straight challenge. Sure. But for those who aren't familiar, run it straight is a thing that's come up, it's big around these parts. I don't know what run it straight is, you need to Google it. Well, yeah, yeah, you've got to Google it. It's it's it's exciting to watch a few times. But basically, they've taken the you know, we've taken the game of football, rugby league or rugby union, where two players will run at each other, one will have the ball, and you're essentially trying to run through each other. And so they've gone, well, that's an awesome, exciting part of this whole game. Let's just do that as the sport. Nicely. So it's like you start there, you start there, you're holding the ball, run, and let's see what happens. Excuse me. And so it's it's great, and you watch some highlights and you're like, whoa, this is super exciting, right? Like, yeah, and you're like, oh, poor dude. Like, guys are getting like bodied out cold, you're getting double knockouts, right? Like it is CTE City. A young man, these motherfuckers are going straight to Will Smith to get their brains checked. A young man is could actually unfortunately passed away, I think, in New Zealand. Right. They may abandon. Yeah, right. But they've they've got it in the US. It's like it still continues as a sport per se. Well, I think they put a couple of NFL players against a couple of rugby union players, and the NFL players who did not know what did well. Because they got no body armor and shit. Oh, mate. And this motherfucker's from a place called Tonga. Well, you know, you've got you've still got, you know, people from Hawaii, big, big body humans, of course. Of course. I guess it's different. But so, but so you can't help when you look at that and be like, this, and it's come about because of social media, right? Definitely. Because sports like that lend themselves to a 15-second viral clip. Yep. And like the the game of rugby, if we look at it and it's using, it's using the youthfulness and the physicality and the strength of of young athletes. And then like sport is kind of somehow inherently exploitative, but everyone opts in, right? So if you're playing at that level, you're like, yo, I'm opting in. Like, I know I'm gonna probably get injured, but I'm here for it and I love it. But when you take it to that level, like that extreme end of it, I think it really, the exploitative nature of it, it really does have to come into question. Because you're like, look, motherfuckers will do things for clout, yeah, but they will literally sell the sell the well-being of the rest of their life for a moment of glory. But if you ask them in 20 years' time, they wouldn't be making that choice. It's just because they're so young. They just probably wouldn't remember anyway. That's right. But you know what I mean? So rap. And so, and so I'm like, is there some kind of onus on us as an audience to to kind of try and adhere to, you know, to keep some kind of standard? Mate, what are you talking about? Like, we love the USC, we love like blood sports, it's the Colosseum, right? It's true, but but even I can even make an argument for the UFC in that um it is like it's one-to-one, first of all, right? It's an entire, it's an entire sport, so it's not just let's just stand here and like slog it out, feet a fix. No, but it is. Well, no, but we No, no, no, but what Max Holloway, like sure. Hey Justin Gagey, stand here and I'll just take like a couple years off your brain. You can be that guy, right? But you can be you can be a sniper, you can be the Alex Pejera, you can be the GSP who you know, like you know, you can you can strategize how you like. Um, it's not you know, it's it's it's absolutely explodive as well. The buttons only get five percent of there's all yeah, I mean this is maybe busy, but there is for some people a financial reward. Not for all of them, but for some, right? So you could argue, well, at least for the fucking top three fighters, they're offering some cash. Sure. Do you know what I mean? Though it's just like, where do we draw the line with, all right, this is acceptable. So where you're going with this, Joe is you're saying, is jujitsu going that way? Well, is this team thing a bridge too far? I'm obviously a fan of the highlights, but I'm like, Hey, are we just gonna see a bunch of really good grapplers fuck themselves up prematurely and not be able to reach their potential in, you know, in like the more conventional approach to jujitsu, which is one-to-one, um, and you know, sacrifice many years of health in there later in life. Maybe that's I g that is a legitimate question. I didn't think we were gonna get to today, friends. But piss on everyone's firework. Yeah, no, no, but I think it's like I think it's like many things. I think we probably you got people out there who are putting their ACLs on the line for a medal that costs 50 cents to make in a Chinese factory. Like, they're not getting paid. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you know, what whatever an individual is prepared to do, I mean, we all do foolish things. I mean, people are backyard brawling for the fucking shits and giggles, right? Just with a couple beers in. Why don't like if we want to make something exciting, why don't we just go fuck it and and launch a Russian roulette league? And it's like, look, there's one in the chamber, there's this uh a one in six chance you're gonna blow your head off, but there's like five chances in in six that you won't. Well, maybe let's just fucking do it. I think it's probably beers, it's get some nachos. It's some it's probably like great viral 15 seconds. I clicked your knee. Yeah, yeah. We could do the ACL shootout. We could do you put your leg in like a machine that just puts your knee into high like hyperextension, and it's like, look, um, press this button at a random interval, it's gonna go into hyperextension, but and so it's like blank, blank, blank, like you know, you know, Jesus Christ. Let's let's see that reaction. Wow, pokies. It's like a slap on the pokies. I mean, look, we are risking it even when we go to training, right? But what in the name of what I think is this is where the conversation goes, right? You could do a crazy three-on-three match, and you know, everyone in there is a you know, able-bodied, willing participant who's up for that kind of fucking action. My 16-year-old cousin said he's had a good think about it and he's ready to die. Hey, I the the the people in there were seasoned, they weren't oh no, yeah, no doubt I mean like it's it you it's not something you would go into lightly. And I think a couple of those people fought MMA before as well. Yeah, so that's where it would probably and maybe this is a format or a style that suits someone who likes MMA, you know, is there for greater physical damage. Than just a submission. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think it's good. I think we're going to see more of it. And I'm here for it, Joe. So look, I'm not, I'm not going to say I'm not here for it. You know, it's just a part of me that's like, ooh, fucking, you know, but you know, whatever. I do bad shit all the time. So add it to the list. Happy days. Apex Grappling Championship. Check it out.